[kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa.

Sat Oct 19 20:49:47 EAT 2013

Dr. Yonah,
I will certainly start the discourse around this in the next two
conferences I attend.  I shall be in India next week for their
e-government conference then next month I will be in South Africa to
discuss their Broadband Strategy and in December again in SA for the ICTD
conference in Cape Town.

Regards.

Ndemo.

> Dear Dr. Ndemo and Walu,
>
> Having participated in driving the reduction of prices of broadband
> connectivity in Tanzania (core/transport Backhaul) by over 99% compared to
> 2009 prices; it is now time to agree on what we mean "Broadband". Further,
> I suggest we seriously agree on what it means to connect xxxxxx to ICTs,
> to
> help/guide all researchers in reporting about meeting the WSIS targets by
> 2015. Please recall...the first six targets are about connecting xxxx to
> ICTs. Here they are:
>
> 1.To connect villages with ICTs and establish community access points.
> 2.To connect universities, colleges, secondary schools and primary schools
> with ICTs.
> 3.To connect scientific and research centers with ICTs
> 4.To connect public libraries, cultural centers, museums, post offices and
> archives with ICTs.
> 5.To connect health centers and hospitals with ICTs.
> 6.To connect all local and central government departments and establish
> websites and email addresses.
>
> Dr. Ndemo, comming up with a harmonised definition certainly will help
> data
> collectors to give our region a fair reporting. I request your thoughts on
> this.
>
> Regards
>
> __________________________________
> *Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD*
> *Consulting Engineer in ICTs*
> *P. O. Box 32736*
> *Dar es Salaam*
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> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Hassan Wekesa <hwekesa at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Walu,
>> The same argument also applies to the measure economists use to gauge
>> growing economies in Africa. When they say country A has the fastest
>> growing economy, you wonder what parameters have been used. You cannot
>>  compare a country that has just gained stability after maybe civil
>> unrest
>> and a country that has been stable in terms of economic stability.
>> It is apparent that the latter will have a higher GDP than the former
>> and
>> thus cannot be used as a benchmark for comparison. Having said that,  I
>> guess the same analogy can be used in comparing the cost of verifying
>> where
>> the cost of broadband is cheaper.
>> Hassan
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>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Zaipuna Yonah
>> <zaipuna.yonah at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>> **
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>>> Dr. Ndemo,
>>>
>>> I salute you! Thanks for the additional insights.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>  __________________________________
>>> *Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD*
>>> *Consulting Engineer in ICTs*
>>> *P. O. Box 32736*
>>> *Dar es Salaam*
>>> *Tanzania*
>>> *Tel: +255-784-786429*
>>> *Fax: +255--732-920133*
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>>> ===============================
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>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Bitange Ndemo
>>> <bitange at jambo.co.ke>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eng. Dr. Yonah,
>>>> The average is one of the measures of central tendency.  It is not
>>>> used
>>>> without looking at other measures in order to give you a clear
>>>> picture.
>>>> You always should know the range and the standard deviation.  We
>>>> usually
>>>> use the average or the mean to get you the rough estimate.  In a
>>>> population the mean is closer to the truth but in a sample collected
>>>> randomly, it can vary but not too much.  There is always a problem
>>>> with
>>>> data gathering where some people may not understand the ethics behind
>>>> authentic data.  There are numerous occasions when people lie with
>>>> statistics.
>>>>
>>>> In essence we should not blindly dismiss any numbers unless we have
>>>> looked
>>>> at the methodology which is always not given although it is a
>>>> requirement
>>>> in such data.
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>>>>
>>>> Ndemo.
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>>>> > Thanks Walu! Very helpful indeed. But it reminded me of a book I
>>>> once
>>>> read
>>>> > called: "The Enemy called Average" by John Mason!  It is always
>>>> misleading
>>>> > when you  report by numerical rankings instead of group rankings
>>>> > especially
>>>> > using averages!
>>>> >
>>>> > In my early years of learning signal processing, I learnt that the
>>>> > mathematical operator called average is really a FILTER that only
>>>> extracts
>>>> > the DC value from the noisy signal (data). It throws out ALL THE
>>>> NOISE
>>>> if
>>>> > indeed you have a very very large (infinity) data sample. Else the
>>>> average
>>>> > is very noisy! This is the catchy 22 in the integrity of the
>>>> reported
>>>> > figures!
>>>> >
>>>> > Once again, thanks Walu.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > __________________________________
>>>> > *Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD*
>>>> > *Consulting Engineer in ICTs*
>>>> > *P. O. Box 32736*
>>>> > *Dar es Salaam*
>>>> > *Tanzania*
>>>> > *Tel: +255-784-786429*
>>>> > *Fax: +255--732-920133*
>>>> > *Email: **engzaipuna at ieee.org* <engzaipuna at ieee.org>
>>>> > ===============================
>>>> > *It is About Engineering People's Lives! **& *
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>>>> > *===============================*
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>>>> > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> >> **
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>>>> >> Far from it...this is not "dollarization" of our economies.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It is just that researchers have to find a way of defining
>>>> >> "affordability"
>>>> >> across different economic domains in order to eventually provide an
>>>> >> objective ranking.
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>>>> >> ITU defines affordability as a function of average incomes.
>>>> Consider
>>>> the
>>>> >> following:
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>>>> >> If average incomes in country A = 100Euros (just to avoid the
>>>> dollar
>>>> >> focus
>>>> >> :-), while in country B it is = 200Euros. And If in BOTH countries
>>>> a
>>>> >> 1mbs
>>>> >> Internet link goes for 50Euros per month, which of these two
>>>> countries
>>>> >> enjoys cheaper internet services?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 50Euros in Country A happens to be 50% of the average income while
>>>> 50%
>>>> >> Euros in Country B is only 25% of the average incomes. Would you
>>>> like
>>>> to
>>>> >> live in a country where internet costs 50% of your salary or where
>>>> its
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>>>> >> of your salary? Country A is considered to be twices as expensive
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>>>> >> Country B.
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>>>> >> Country B is therefore considered to have cheaper internet services
>>>> >> (even
>>>> >> though internet does costs the SAME in Euro terms across both
>>>> >> countries).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> not sure if its clearer or worse :-)
>>>> >> walu.
>>>> >> --------------------------------------------
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>>>> >> On Wed, 10/16/13, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the cheapest
>>>> Broadband
>>>> >> Internet in E-Africa.
>>>> >> To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>>>> >> Cc: "Brian Munyao Longwe" <blongwe at gmail.com>, "I-Network Uganda" <
>>>> >> i-network at dgroups.org>, "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz at yahoogroups.com>,
>>>> >> "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> >> Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013, 10:04 AM
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>>>> >> Dear Walu,
>>>> >> Are you suggesting we approve with open arms the
>>>> >> mammon called dollarization? I am just
>>>> >> curious!
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>>>> http://clknet.or.tz/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PB1-Dollarization-of-the-Tanzanian-Economy.pdf/
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>>>> >> We surely have a long way to go in creating our
>>>> >> own information even though we have our own knowledge about
>>>> >> issues like this.
>>>> >> Keep thinking and discussing...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards
>>>> >>
>>>> >> __________________________________
>>>> >> Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD
>>>> >> Consulting Engineer in ICTs
>>>> >> P. O. Box
>>>> >> 32736
>>>> >> Dar es
>>>> >> Salaam
>>>> >> Tanzania
>>>> >> Tel:
>>>> >> +255-784-786429
>>>> >> Fax:
>>>> >> +255--732-920133
>>>> >> Email: engzaipuna at ieee.org
>>>> >> ===============================
>>>> >> It is About Engineering People's Lives! & Advancing
>>>> >> Technology for
>>>> >> Humanity!===============================
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013
>>>> >> at 9:36 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
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>>>> >> this is where we go wrong. We (East Africans) pay top-dollar
>>>> >> to be members of ITU and then we consistently ignore their
>>>> >> research output for various reasons - including lying :-).
>>>> >> In which case we should at least stop being members and save
>>>> >> the money for something else. Incidentally, ITU has been
>>>> >> around for donkey years doing policy research in telecomms
>>>> >> and we should at least give their report some little respect
>>>> >> and attention.
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> But if we doubt them, we should produce alternate research
>>>> >> like what Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD has done with
>>>> >> Research ICT Africa report- whic shows that actually .TZ has
>>>> >> the most affordable internet services. From the quick
>>>> >> reading of that I can see that perhaps what Research ICT
>>>> >> Africa failed to do was that they did not
>>>> >> "normalize" their figures.
>>>> >>
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>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What this means is that if a coke or any product is 1USD in
>>>> >> the US and it is also 1USD in Kenya, that coke is still
>>>> >> considered more expensive in Kenya because of differentials
>>>> >> in national income levels i.e. they are not equally
>>>> >> affordable . Put differently an American finds it easier to
>>>> >> spend the 1USD than the Kenyan would.
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>>>> >> So if one was to "normalize" the Research ICT
>>>> >> report against national income levels, we would most likely
>>>> >> arrive at the same (ITU) conclusion.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> walu.
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>>>> >> On Tue, 10/15/13, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [eThinkTankTz] Uganda has the
>>>> >> cheapest Broadband Internet in E-Africa.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cc: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network at dgroups.org>,
>>>> >> "eThinkers" <ethinktanktz at yahoogroups.com>,
>>>> >> "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2013, 11:29 PM
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's a lie, I am here and
>>>> >>
>>>> >> frustrated with high costs of broadband...
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at
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>>>> >> 9:15 PM, Zaipuna Yonah <zaipuna.yonah at gmail.com>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> wrote:
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>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> How about the attached report? Sometimes, you got
>>>> >>
>>>> >> to find a comparative approach to make sense out of these
>>>> >>
>>>> >> studies. Sometimes it matters who reports.....But the
>>>> >>
>>>> >> customer knows the truth!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards
>>>> >>
>>>> >> __________________________________
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Eng. Dr. Zaipuna O. Yonah, PhD
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Consulting Engineer in ICTs
>>>> >>
>>>> >> P. O. Box
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 32736
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dar es
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Salaam
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Tanzania
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Tel: +255-784-786429
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Fax: +255--732-920133
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Email: engzaipuna at ieee.org
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ===============================
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It is About Engineering People's
>>>> >> Lives! & Advancing
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Technology for
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Humanity!===============================
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:16 PM,
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>>>> >> Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
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>>>> >> Folks,(apologies for cross-posting)
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>>>> >> This comes as a suprise. One would have thought Kenya and
>>>> >> TZ
>>>> >>
>>>> >> by virtue of "owning" the International Internet
>>>> >>
>>>> >> conne Submarine connectivity/Gatewyas at Mombasa and Dar
>>>> >>
>>>> >> respectively, they would offer the cheapest Internet
>>>> >> costs.
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>>>> >> But according to the latest 2013 ITU report that has been
>>>> >>
>>>> >> tracking and measuring affordability of internet, UG is
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>>>> >> ranked no 139, TZ at no 143 and Kenya at no 149 globally
>>>> >> in
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>>>> >> terms of affordability.
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>>>> >> Cost of broadband internet in Kenya is put at 49% of the
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Gross National Income(GNI) compared to .UG at 32%. Put
>>>> >>
>>>> >> differently it costs an average Kenyan half(50%) his
>>>> >> salary
>>>> >>
>>>> >> to connect to a broadband internet link. In SA it is about
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 4% of their GNI.
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>>>> >> Those who can withstand the statistics/readings can pull
>>>> >> the
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>>>> >> Executive Report at
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>>>> http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Documents/publications/mis2013/MIS2013-exec-sum_E.pdf
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>>>> >> @ CS Matiang'i - this could be part of your bedtime
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