[kictanet] The core Internet institutions abandon the US Government | IGP Blog

Kivuva Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
Mon Oct 14 14:15:29 EAT 2013 

ICANN works under direct mandate from the US Department of Commerce. It is
not about to sideline itself from the US government anytime soon

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On 14 October 2013 01:49, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:

> @Badru, Ali et. al,
>
> I support the need to share the unilateral oversight control that the US
> enjoys over the internet - even though I doubt if it will come to pass in
> my lifetime :-)
>
> Moreover, I find the recent motivation for this multistakeholder approach
> (e.g. stop US spying) ill-informed. Am told Brazil is even going to the
> extend of building its own national email (yahoo) system, its own google,
> and maybe in future its own facebook, twitter, etc. Wherease this may
> satisfy national pride, it will not stop big brother US from spying on them
> or anybody else on this planet.
>
> Big brother is watching each of us from the air (drones, satellite, etc),
> from our offices (MS-Windows?), from our smartphones /tablets etc. Building
> your own "internet" will not stop spying  but may instead balkanize the
> internet into geographic silos similar to what we have in the real world.
>
> Spying is a well developed constitutional right in most democracies
> including ours (remember National Intelligence Security and now "Nyumab
> Kumi Concept?).  The best way to address big brother spying errands is -
> yes, to spy back on him.  I think China is doing this quite well, watch him
> watching you :-)
>
> walu.
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 10/13/13, Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan at me.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] The core Internet institutions abandon the US
> Government | IGP Blog
>  To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>  Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>  Date: Sunday, October 13, 2013, 6:53 PM
>
>  ......there is
>  nothing like an "idea" whose "time" has
>  come. The coxiality between idea and time is able to
>  orchestrate the forces of nature for the required
>  manifestation and alas the verdict is out or shall we say
>  still unfolding.
>  Great week.
>  Eric here
>
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  On Oct 13, 2013, at 17:08, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>  wrote:
>
>  Badru
>  True that..I see the issue thus:-
>  1. Don't be holier than though if behind the
>  scenes you are abusing the same kind of freedoms you purport
>  to champion.
>  2. Don't get caught :)
>  3. That Governments can't really be truly
>  trusted to protect the very freedoms that we vote them in to
>  protect. In today's world its a tough call with all the
>  terrorism and craziness going on..
>  4. Multi-Stakeholderism is still the best way to
>  ultimately protect the freedoms that we enjoy.
>
>  Ali Hussein
>  +254 0770
>  906375 / 0713 601113
>  "Kujikwaa si kuanguka,
>  bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a
>  sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb
>  Sent from my iPad
>  On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Ali
>
>
>
>  The problem is that influence is about moral authority
>  and right now the revelations have seriously affected that
>  authority.
>
>
>
>  We cannot keep calling out others on governance issues
>  when we are the biggest abusers.  The US have allot of
>  work to do unless we legitimize what they did and then have
>  a new acceptable standard.
>
>
>
>  Regards
>
>
>
>  Badru Ntege
>  Sent from my Mobile
>
>
>
>  On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:38, "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Badru
>
>
>
>  Thanks for sharing. Long overdue. I'm surprised it
>  took this long..
>
>
>
>  It will definitely be interesting to watch what goes on
>  in the next few months/years as ICANN and other members of
>  the community that makes the Internet work continue to exert
>  their independence from any one particular government.
>
>
>
>  We must however be vigilant and ensure that we do not
>  throw the baby with the bath water. Some may not agree with
>  me but I'd rather the US exert influence on
>  International Internet Governance than see the emergence of
>  Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Russia, China
>   and their ilk do so..
>
>
>
>  I'm just saying..
>
>
>  Ali Hussein
>
>
>
>
>  +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
>
>
>
>  "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni
>  kwenda mbele" (To stumble
>   is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili
>  Proverb
>
>
>
>  Sent from my iPad
>
>
>  On Oct 13, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>  wrote:
>
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>
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> http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-abandon-the-us-government/
>
>
>
>
>
>  Badru Ntege
>
>  Sent from my Mobile
>
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