[kictanet] The core Internet institutions abandon the US Government | IGP Blog

Mon Oct 14 12:49:51 EAT 2013

@Badru, Ali et. al,

I support the need to share the unilateral oversight control that the US enjoys over the internet - even though I doubt if it will come to pass in my lifetime :-)

Moreover, I find the recent motivation for this multistakeholder approach (e.g. stop US spying) ill-informed. Am told Brazil is even going to the extend of building its own national email (yahoo) system, its own google, and maybe in future its own facebook, twitter, etc. Wherease this may satisfy national pride, it will not stop big brother US from spying on them or anybody else on this planet.

Big brother is watching each of us from the air (drones, satellite, etc), from our offices (MS-Windows?), from our smartphones /tablets etc. Building your own "internet" will not stop spying  but may instead balkanize the internet into geographic silos similar to what we have in the real world.

Spying is a well developed constitutional right in most democracies including ours (remember National Intelligence Security and now "Nyumab Kumi Concept?).  The best way to address big brother spying errands is - yes, to spy back on him.  I think China is doing this quite well, watch him watching you :-) 

walu.

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On Sun, 10/13/13, Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan at me.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [kictanet] The core Internet institutions abandon the US Government | IGP Blog
 To: jwalu at yahoo.com
 Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
 Date: Sunday, October 13, 2013, 6:53 PM

 ......there is
 nothing like an "idea" whose "time" has
 come. The coxiality between idea and time is able to
 orchestrate the forces of nature for the required
 manifestation and alas the verdict is out or shall we say
 still unfolding.
 Great week.
 Eric here 

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 On Oct 13, 2013, at 17:08, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
 wrote:

 Badru
 True that..I see the issue thus:-
 1. Don't be holier than though if behind the
 scenes you are abusing the same kind of freedoms you purport
 to champion.
 2. Don't get caught :)
 3. That Governments can't really be truly
 trusted to protect the very freedoms that we vote them in to
 protect. In today's world its a tough call with all the
 terrorism and craziness going on..
 4. Multi-Stakeholderism is still the best way to
 ultimately protect the freedoms that we enjoy.

 Ali Hussein
 +254 0770
 906375 / 0713 601113
 "Kujikwaa si kuanguka,
 bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a
 sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb
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 On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
 wrote:

 Ali

 The problem is that influence is about moral authority
 and right now the revelations have seriously affected that
 authority. 

 We cannot keep calling out others on governance issues
 when we are the biggest abusers.  The US have allot of
 work to do unless we legitimize what they did and then have
 a new acceptable standard. 

 Regards 

 Badru Ntege
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 On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:38, "Ali Hussein" <ali at hussein.me.ke>
 wrote:

 Badru

 Thanks for sharing. Long overdue. I'm surprised it
 took this long..

 It will definitely be interesting to watch what goes on
 in the next few months/years as ICANN and other members of
 the community that makes the Internet work continue to exert
 their independence from any one particular government.

 We must however be vigilant and ensure that we do not
 throw the baby with the bath water. Some may not agree with
 me but I'd rather the US exert influence on
 International Internet Governance than see the emergence of
 Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Russia, China
  and their ilk do so..

 I'm just saying..

 Ali Hussein

 +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113

 "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni
 kwenda mbele" (To stumble
  is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili
 Proverb

 Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 13, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
 wrote:

 http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-abandon-the-us-government/

 Badru Ntege

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