[kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again? - the
Ngigi Waithaka
ngigi at at.co.ke
Thu Oct 3 10:37:21 EAT 2013
In a way, its not actually using KDF that's the hammer, its in using heavy
artillery, but, could it have been avoided?
The problem with the local situation is the simple unpreparedness of the
police as compared to KDF. By the time Abdul made it from Yaya Center to
Westgate, on a Saturday which should probably take an hour, cops had not
even engaged the terrorists. If the Recce squad had gone in with the Abdul
team, this would have been over really fast.
But they were nowhere to be found and/or were reluctant to get in.
KDF sent in their specialized team, and so far have lost 4 of them, with a
lot more injured, this should also tell you it wasn't exactly a mosquito
they were dealing with; it takes a lot of skill and firepower to kill a
soldier armored with ballistic plates.
Lastly, the terrorists were busy butchering the hostages in the most savage
way, and throwing out parts out of the windows. An executive decision to
end their suffering needed to be made, and I guess someone did just that
and we got ourselves 3 collapsed floors and the dignity of our fallen ones
intact!
Waithaka Ngigi
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Matunda Nyanchama <
mnyanchama at aganoconsulting.com> wrote:
> Brian
>
> Yours is an apt summary of the Westgate response fiasco: "IMHO using KDF
> was the proverbial hammer to kill a fly....".
>
> Reports of looting, drinking, etc., and blowing up the place suggests
> there may be other motive other than saving the situation.
> By the way, how come we haven't heard from the CS for Defence? Her forces
> were on the ground even when this was really a police issue.
> Baadaye.
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> 1. Re: Have we failed the nation yet again? - the inzi issue
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> 2. Re: Have we failed the nation yet again? - the inzi issue
> (robert yawe)
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> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:03:24 +0300
> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
> To: Lawrence Njogu <lnjogu at hotmail.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again? - the
> inzi issue
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> IMHO using KDF was the proverbial hammer to kill a fly....
>
> I am all for equipping, training and providing better tactical and ops
> support to our police and specialized units.
>
> Mblayo
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2013, Lawrence Njogu wrote:
>
> > Ndemo,
> > I agree 100%!! I expected KDF to use such inexpensive and intelligent
> > technologies during the siege.
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:00:27 +0300
> > > From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'bitange at jambo.co.ke');>
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again? - the inzi
> > issue
> > > CC: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke');>
> > > To: lnjogu at hotmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'lnjogu at hotmail.com');>
> > >
> > > Robert,
> > > Nano technologies are here already. Just like the Japanese miniaturized
> > > everything, we should nononize some products. I will work with one that
> > > is a bit smaller. Just imagine if we had one like that with night
> vision.
> > > We could not have destroyed the entire parking.
> > >
> > > Ndemo.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Daktari,
> > > >
> > > > Is this what you where referring to when you mentioned an inzi?
> > > >
> > > > Army test next generation nano drone - the Black Hornet<
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5TdbMu8xc4>
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > PS. Encouraging gaming could be what saves us next time there is a
> > > > terrorist hostage situation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Robert Yawe
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> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'bitange at jambo.co.ke');>>
> > > > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk');>>
> > > > Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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> > > > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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> > > > Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 16:07
> > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Robert,
> > > > There is absolutely nothing anybody will have done with ICTs after
> the
> > > > terrorists stormed the Mall. All IT gadgets worked properly. CCTV
> > > > footage is there and was aired on TV yesterday. The screening
> askaris
> > had
> > > > no chance since the assailants forced their way in.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps what we need is more research to mount a camera on a fly
> (inzi)
> > > > with night vision to fly carefully within the terrorist hideout and
> > > > establish strategically on how to respond. Some flies could be
> loaded
> > > > with sleeping gas to put assailants to sleep. Drones do scan the
> > horizon
> > > > giving military advance knowledge of the terrain.
> > > >
> > > > Right now we should spend a few minutes to praise our uniformed
> forces.
> > > > They did a commendable job. In bitterness I am still proud to be
> > Kenyan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ndemo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> As we console all those who where affected by the happenings at the
> > > >> Westgate Mall over the weekend do we remain blameless as an
> industry?
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Robert Yawe
> > > >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > > >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > > >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
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> > > >>
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> To: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again? - the
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> Daktari,
>
> We are technophobes how do you stop this and get people to embrace
> technology especially those of us who believe that having a high end phone
> makes them techno savvy.
>
> Today as we discuss the laptop for class one in the west children are
> being given rasberry pi and other single board devices to encourage them to
> get involved in coding while we train ours on using packages.
>
> It scares me that I am a member of this industry and everyday I wonder if
> I might be more useful to this nation as a farmer or maybe even just the
> administrator of an eco-choo at least then my contribution will receive
> instant recognition.
>
> We are producing a nation of high level users yet no one is trying to
> reverse the trend, we no longer have mechanics but fitters, we no longer
> have implementers but installers, we no longer have lecturers but
> regurgitators, we no longer have manufactures but traders. I remember a
> message by a former Indian Ambassador to Kenya who said that no nation has
> ever industrialized without heavy industry.
>
> The drone in the video is today what children are playing with as toys
> many supplied as do it yourself kits, Boeing have recently retrofitted an
> F-16 Jet to be operated fully by remote control while we deal with a
> hostage situation as we did with the Ngoroko.
>
> Will we see the inzi introduced or even just a blimp for crowd control in
> the near future?? I strongly doubt it as we do not have the will or intent
> to leave a mark when we leave and that is sad.
>
> Regards
>
> PS.? As you return to academia let us hope you will work to remedy this
> institutionalized mediocrity that we keep rewarding and feting.
>
> ?
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013, 16:00
> Subject: Re: Have we failed the nation yet again? - the inzi issue
>
>
> Robert,
> Nano technologies are here already.? Just like the Japanese miniaturized
> everything, we should nononize some products.? I will work with one that
> is a bit smaller.? Just imagine if we had one like that with night vision.
> We could not have destroyed the entire parking.
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
>
>
> > Daktari,
> >
> > Is this what you where referring to when you mentioned an inzi?
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5TdbMu8xc4
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > PS.? Encouraging gaming could be what saves us next time there is a
> > terrorist hostage situation
> >
> >
> > ?
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > Kenya
> >
> >
> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >? From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 16:07
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again?
> >
> >
> > Robert,
> > There is absolutely nothing anybody will have done with ICTs after the
> > terrorists stormed the Mall.? All IT gadgets worked properly.? CCTV
> > footage is there and was aired on TV yesterday.? The screening askaris
> had
> > no chance since the assailants forced their way in.
> >
> > Perhaps what we need is more research to mount a camera on a fly (inzi)
> > with night vision to fly carefully within the terrorist hideout and
> > establish strategically on how to respond.? Some flies could be loaded
> > with sleeping gas to put assailants to sleep.? Drones do scan the horizon
> > giving military advance knowledge of the terrain.
> >
> > Right now we should spend a few minutes to praise our uniformed forces.
> > They did a commendable job.? In bitterness I am still proud to be Kenyan.
> >
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> As we console all those who where affected by the happenings at the
> >> Westgate Mall over the weekend do we remain blameless as an industry?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >>
> >> ?
> >> Robert Yawe
> >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >> Kenya
> >>
> >>
> >> Tel: +254722511225,
> >> +254202010696_______________________________________________
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> >
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