[kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again? - the

Thu Oct 3 10:12:50 EAT 2013

Brian

Yours is an apt summary of the Westgate response fiasco: "IMHO using KDF was the proverbial hammer to kill a fly....". 

Reports of looting, drinking, etc., and blowing up the place suggests there may be other motive other than saving the situation. 
By the way, how come we haven't heard from the CS for Defence? Her forces were on the ground even when this was really a police issue.
 Baadaye.
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   1. Re: Have we failed the nation yet again? - the inzi issue
      (Brian Munyao Longwe)
   2. Re: Have we failed the nation yet again? - the inzi issue
      (robert yawe)

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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:03:24 +0300
From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
To: Lawrence Njogu <lnjogu at hotmail.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again? - the
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IMHO using KDF was the proverbial hammer to kill a fly....

I am all for equipping, training and providing better  tactical and ops
support to our police and specialized units.

Mblayo

On Wednesday, October 2, 2013, Lawrence Njogu wrote:

> Ndemo,
> I agree 100%!! I expected KDF to use such inexpensive and intelligent
> technologies during the siege.
>
> > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:00:27 +0300
> > From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'bitange at jambo.co.ke');>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again? - the inzi
> issue
> > CC: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke');>
> > To: lnjogu at hotmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'lnjogu at hotmail.com');>
> >
> > Robert,
> > Nano technologies are here already. Just like the Japanese miniaturized
> > everything, we should nononize some products. I will work with one that
> > is a bit smaller. Just imagine if we had one like that with night vision.
> > We could not have destroyed the entire parking.
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Daktari,
> > >
> > > Is this what you where referring to when you mentioned an inzi?
> > >
> > > Army test next generation nano drone - the Black Hornet<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5TdbMu8xc4>
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > PS.  Encouraging gaming could be what saves us next time there is a
> > > terrorist hostage situation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert Yawe
> > > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > > Kenya
> > >
> > >
> > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'bitange at jambo.co.ke');>>
> > > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk');>>
> > > Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'bitange at jambo.co.ke');>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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> > > Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 16:07
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again?
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert,
> > > There is absolutely nothing anybody will have done with ICTs after the
> > > terrorists stormed the Mall.  All IT gadgets worked properly.  CCTV
> > > footage is there and was aired on TV yesterday.  The screening askaris
> had
> > > no chance since the assailants forced their way in.
> > >
> > > Perhaps what we need is more research to mount a camera on a fly (inzi)
> > > with night vision to fly carefully within the terrorist hideout and
> > > establish strategically on how to respond.  Some flies could be loaded
> > > with sleeping gas to put assailants to sleep.  Drones do scan the
> horizon
> > > giving military advance knowledge of the terrain.
> > >
> > > Right now we should spend a few minutes to praise our uniformed forces.
> > > They did a commendable job.  In bitterness I am still proud to be
> Kenyan.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ndemo.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> As we console all those who where affected by the happenings at the
> > >> Westgate Mall over the weekend do we remain blameless as an industry?
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Robert Yawe
> > >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > >> Kenya
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> > >>
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:37:38 +0100 (BST)
From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
To: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again? - the
    inzi issue
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Daktari,

We are technophobes how do you stop this and get people to embrace technology especially those of us who believe that having a high end phone makes them techno savvy.

Today as we discuss the laptop for class one in the west children are being given rasberry pi and other single board devices to encourage them to get involved in coding while we train ours on using packages.

It scares me that I am a member of this industry and everyday I wonder if I might be more useful to this nation as a farmer or maybe even just the administrator of an eco-choo at least then my contribution will receive instant recognition.

We are producing a nation of high level users yet no one is trying to reverse the trend, we no longer have mechanics but fitters, we no longer have implementers but installers, we no longer have lecturers but regurgitators, we no longer have manufactures but traders. I remember a message by a former Indian Ambassador to Kenya who said that no nation has ever industrialized without heavy industry.

The drone in the video is today what children are playing with as toys many supplied as do it yourself kits, Boeing have recently retrofitted an F-16 Jet to be operated fully by remote control while we deal with a hostage situation as we did with the Ngoroko.

Will we see the inzi introduced or even just a blimp for crowd control in the near future?? I strongly doubt it as we do not have the will or intent to leave a mark when we leave and that is sad.

Regards

PS.? As you return to academia let us hope you will work to remedy this institutionalized mediocrity that we keep rewarding and feting.

?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> 
Cc: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> 
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013, 16:00
Subject: Re: Have we failed the nation yet again? - the inzi issue

Robert,
Nano technologies are here already.? Just like the Japanese miniaturized
everything, we should nononize some products.? I will work with one that
is a bit smaller.? Just imagine if we had one like that with night vision.
We could not have destroyed the entire parking.

Ndemo.

> Daktari,
>
> Is this what you where referring to when you mentioned an inzi?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5TdbMu8xc4
>
> Regards
>
> PS.? Encouraging gaming could be what saves us next time there is a
> terrorist hostage situation
>
>
> ?
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
> ________________________________
>? From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 16:07
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Have we failed the nation yet again?
>
>
> Robert,
> There is absolutely nothing anybody will have done with ICTs after the
> terrorists stormed the Mall.? All IT gadgets worked properly.? CCTV
> footage is there and was aired on TV yesterday.? The screening askaris had
> no chance since the assailants forced their way in.
>
> Perhaps what we need is more research to mount a camera on a fly (inzi)
> with night vision to fly carefully within the terrorist hideout and
> establish strategically on how to respond.? Some flies could be loaded
> with sleeping gas to put assailants to sleep.? Drones do scan the horizon
> giving military advance knowledge of the terrain.
>
> Right now we should spend a few minutes to praise our uniformed forces.
> They did a commendable job.? In bitterness I am still proud to be Kenyan.
>
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As we console all those who where affected by the happenings at the
>> Westgate Mall over the weekend do we remain blameless as an industry?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> ?
>> Robert Yawe
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> Kenya
>>
>>
>> Tel: +254722511225,
>> +254202010696_______________________________________________
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>
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