[kictanet] CCK Denies being involved in Telkom Kenya/France

Thu Aug 29 12:20:48 EAT 2013

Those are valid points but the facts aren't all there.

1. At&t was never government owned although they did enjoy a monopoly until
1982 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_AT%26T) when the federal
government broke it up.
2. DHL was not majority controlled by Deutsche Post (the national mail
carrier of Germany) until 2002 (http://wap.dhl.com/info/history.html) by
which point Deutsche Post had already been an independent corporation for 2
years  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Post)
3. Orange S.A. (formerly France Telecom) is minority owned by the French
government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_S.A.#Shareholders) but the
majority of shares have been public since 2004 - three years before the
Telkom investment.

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On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com> wrote:

> @Adam Is there a western country that has allowed its original carrier to
> collapse on its own? Infact has any of them allowed a foreign company to
> come do the honours for it? The notion that governments cannot run
> successful businesses is refuted by France Telecom Better known as Orange
> and DHL which are still wholly government owned by their respective
> companies. Is AT&T collapsing?
>
> The 30 billion shillings that France telecom has effectively been awarded
> is still ot translating to profits. Next they will want to sell prime real
> estate because they don't have money.
>
> This is not a business issue but manipulation for control. France telecom
> wants total control of Telecom Kenya possibly for nefarious reasons. I fail
> to see how they are not able to turn a profit with all the resources at
> their disposal.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
>> Adam
>>
>> Indeed. Tongue in cheek..:)
>>
>> Ali Hussein
>> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
>> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
>>
>> +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375
>>
>> "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
>>
>> Since when was a landline company a 'crown jewel'.  It's 2013 and that
>> company should just be left to fall apart on its own.
>>
>>  In the US, only 1 in 4 households will have a traditional landline by
>> the end of the year:
>>
>>
>> http://www.salon.com/2013/07/09/telephone_companies_abandon_copper_phone_lines_ap/
>>
>> I presume the Kenyan rate is far below that but it seems like the focus
>> should be on fiber and LTE and not worrying about dinosaurs like Kenya
>> Telekom
>>
>> -Adam
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>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Telecom saga
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>>> I feel it's time Orange ate the humble pie. This wars with government
>>> are just distracting the company and they now also look like the
>>> company is fighting with patriotism by extension.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be more easier to sweet talk GoK for tax and other
>>> incentives rather than arm twist it?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ali Hussein
>>> Sent: =E2=80=8E29/=E2=80=8E08/=E2=80=8E2013 08:12
>>> To: Dennis Kioko Mbuvi
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Subject: [kictanet] CCK Denies being involved in Telkom Kenya/France
>>> Telecom saga
>>> Listers
>>>
>>> In an interesting twist CCK has issued a warning and threat of punitive
>>> action against Telkom Kenya/France Telecom in what it calls
>>> 'unprocedural'
>>> transfer of shares.
>>>
>>> In light of this I think CCK is stepping up and doing the right thing.
>>> Lets
>>> go one step further:-
>>>
>>> The Government should face up to the fact that this was a failed
>>> experiment
>>> and put in place mechanisms to return the 'crown jewel' back to the
>>> Kenyan
>>> People.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Telkom+Kenya+faces+penalties+for+cost=
>>> ly+share+deal/-/1006/1972054/-/n17yku/-/index.html<http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Telkom+Kenya+faces+penalties+for+cost=ly+share+deal/-/1006/1972054/-/n17yku/-/index.html>
>>>
>>> *
>>> *
>>>
>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>
>>> *CEO, 3mice interactive media ltd*
>>>
>>> *Partner, Telemedia Africa Ltd
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tel: +254713601113
>>>
>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>
>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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