[kictanet] Who controls the internet?

Mon Nov 5 15:40:02 EAT 2012

Dear all

I agree with Omo. Is it possible to provide/discuss substantive comments
to the current proposals for revisions of ITRs to assist the CCK finalize
on developing a national position.

However, I can also understand why some stakeholder are not able to
contribute. It would have been good, in retrospect to have organized a
session to dymystify the ITRs and the discuss the merits/demerits of the
current proposals.

Apologies for adding to the noise rather than contributing substantively.

best
Alice

> Thanks Nd Kivuva. Somehow, I didn't receive Nd Ali's response to mine
> which you seem to have responded to and for which I thank you.
>
> CCK had posted the AfCPs inviting views in order to prepare for the Ghana
> meeting and also the meeting in Dubai. We indicated that we subscribed to
> the same, having contributed to their development. There was also a
> request that we study Proposals from other Regions. Further, there was a
> promise then, and still is, that CCK would convene a meeting of
> Stakeholders before the meeting in Dubai. Giving or taking credit for
> pushing Government on its views on ITRs is inappropriate when the
> initiative was itself from Government/CCK.
>
> To date, much of what I hear is not on substantive input, either on the
> AfCPs or Proposals from other Regions, but clamour for a Stakeholders'
> meeting or posting such as "thanks for a promise of a breakfast meeting"
> or 'pushing Gov't on its views'! We are a growing to be a society more
> comfortable attending workshops/breakfast meetings rather than the actual
> 'on the table work.'  Let me reiterate that the rubber will meet the road,
> not in the fact that CCK has organised a Stake holder's workshop, but in a
> delegation that has prepared its docs, read the meeting docs/docs from
> other Regions and prepared to present reasoned arguments.
>
> Even as we hail the promise of a breakfast meeting or giving credit for
> pushing Gov't, please let us read the postings and offer substantive
> comments. It would help if the local Secretariat can prepare documentation
> for the workshop/breakfast meeting based on views presented apriori. As
> mentioned earlier, the official report of Ghana is out and should be
> posted either today or tomorrow.
>
> Kind rgds.
>
> OMO, John,
> Commission Secretary,
> Communications Commission of Kenya,
> P.O. Box 14448 Nairobi 00800.
> Tel: +254 20 4242285/6 Cell: +254722523348
> "I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear" -
> Martin Luther King Jr.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: kictanet on behalf of Kivuva
> Sent: Sun 11/4/2012 18:42
> To: Omo, John
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?
>
>
>
> Thank you Ali for pushing for a government position on ITRs. When
> there is silence it means that
> 1. The government is playing their position like a secret card that
> should not be shown in public.
> 2. We don't have a position.
> 3. We don't understand what is being discussed.
>
> Thanks Dr. Ndemo for the hint of a breakfast meeting to clear the air.
>
> Regards
>
> On 04/11/2012, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>> Ndugu Omo
>>
>> Thanks for your note. I had actually refrained from posting any comments
>> because of the Ghana meeting. In retrospect may be I should have
>> irrespective of the Ghana meeting.
>>
>> I must say that this kind of discourse is definitely helpful and goes a
>> long
>> way in calming the waters.
>>
>> I look forward to the stakeholders meeting in the 13th Nov.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ali Hussein
>> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
>> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
>>
>> +254 773/713 601113
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:06 AM, "Omo, John" <Omo at cck.go.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Noted and thanks Nd Ali.
>>>
>>> We had posted a draft of the African Common Proposals (AfCPs) amending
>>> the
>>> ITRs. The AfCPs were the culmination of two preparatory meetings by
>>> Stakeholders held in Cairo and Durban. Our request was that Kenyan
>>> Stakeholders study and forward comments on the same to assist in our
>>> preparations for the preparatory meeting held in Ghana and also for a
>>> Kenyan Stakeholders meeting before the Dubai meeting. I remember
>>> getting
>>> indications that you'd study the same and revert with your comments. We
>>> are still waiting.
>>>
>>> The way this works is this: in order to have better use of time at
>>> Conferences, stakeholders are encouraged develop proposals common to
>>> their
>>> regions. Of course Member States, being sovereign, can submit their
>>> individual proposals separate from and even in opposition to their
>>> Regions
>>> (See a number of US proposals or common to both the US and Canada, that
>>> are different from those of CITEL to which both countries are a
>>> member).
>>> But it is better that views that are similar to  a region or
>>> inter-region/s are submitted and discussed as common proposals. That
>>> hastens consensus building and saves on time at the Conference. We had
>>> indicated that our views as a country was pretty much a long the
>>> proposed
>>> AfCPs to which we have contributed.
>>>
>>> The official outcome of the Ghana meeting is now out and has some
>>> improvements to the Durban draft. We are uploading the same early this
>>> week, again with a request to Stakeholders submit substantive comments
>>> that would aid in either endorsing/not endorsing the same. The
>>> proposals
>>> will still be debated strenuously at the Conference which will take
>>> decisions largely by way of consensus. Please, please let us study the
>>> draft proposals including those from other Regions - that is where the
>>> rubber will meet the road in Dubai. Tentatively, we plan to have a
>>> local
>>> stakeholders meeting on the 13th Nov.
>>>
>>> With kind rgds.
>>> OMO, John
>>> Commission Secretary
>>> Communications Commission of Kenya
>>> P.O. Box 14448 Nairobi 00800
>>> Tel: +254 20 4242285/6
>>> Cell: +254722523348
>>>
>>>  "I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to
>>> bear" -
>>> Martin Luther King Jr.
>>>
>>> From: kictanet on behalf of Ali Hussein
>>> Sent: Sat 11/3/2012 09:17
>>> To: Omo, John
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>> Thanks for the clarifications and updates.
>>>
>>> Listers
>>>
>>> I hate to bring this issue up again but should the utter and complete
>>> silence from the CCK on our country position raise red flags?
>>>
>>> Bwana DG Wangusi with all due respect to your good offices can we have
>>> some sort of statement on this issue? I believe it is critically
>>> important
>>> that we do know and I honestly believe that whatever that position is
>>> (whether it emanates from the IGF deliberations or not) it should now
>>> be
>>> made public. We are less than two months away from WCIT Dubai.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Ali Hussein
>>> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
>>> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
>>>
>>> +254 773/713 601113
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Nov 3, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Chip Sharp (chsharp)" <chsharp at cisco.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sorry I'm late to this conversation,  but I wanted to point out a
>>>> few
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>>  The only proposals for revision of the ITRs that will be considered
>>>> at
>>>> the WCIT are from Member States or Regional groups (e.g., ATU, CEPT).
>>>>
>>>> This means there are no ITU proposals to the WCIT.  So where the
>>>> article
>>>> says "ITU proposal" it should say "country or regional proposal".
>>>>
>>>> It also means there is no ETNO proposal to the WCIT. The text ETNO
>>>> have
>>>> proposed must be submitted by a country or region or it won't be
>>>> considered.
>>>>
>>>> The proposals that have been made public are not officially to be
>>>> considered at WCIT.  The countries or regions must submit their
>>>> proposals
>>>> (again) directly to the WCIT.  These country proposals to the WCIT can
>>>> be
>>>> different from what has been made public.  After reviewing the current
>>>> submissions to WCIT I can say that some are different from what the
>>>> same
>>>> country or region proposed in the public document.  A few of the
>>>> differences are important. So ITU would need to make TD-1 and its
>>>> revisions public to keep people informed as to the actual proposals
>>>> into
>>>> WCIT.
>>>>
>>>> ATU proposals are not yet available on the ITU website.
>>>>
>>>> Chip
>>>> **Disclaimer:  these are my opinions and not those of Cisco or the US
>>>> del.***
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 2012, at 6:49 AM, "George Nyabuga" <george at afrinic.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An interesting article in The Guardian, quoting, among others, our
>>>>> own
>>>>> Alice Munyua. But what the listers make of it?
>>>>>
>>>>> See article at:
>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/17/who-rules-internet?CMP=twt_gu
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr George Nyabuga
>>>>> Tel:
>>>>> +230 403 51 00
>>>>> Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC           Fax:  +230 466 67 58
>>>>> george at afrinic.net - www.afrinic.net
>>>>>
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