[kictanet] Who controls the internet?

Mon Nov 5 17:47:50 EAT 2012

Listers,

I am pleased to inform you that we have uploaded the African Common
Proposals (AfCPs) agreed upon in Ghana onto the CCK website. The AfCPs
are available at
http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/current_consultations/African_C
ommon_Proposals_the_ITRs_Rev.pdf 

As already communicated by my colleagues, CCK shall host a stakeholders
meeting on 13th November 2012 to share the proposals or Kenya's position
on ITRs and collect comments/input on the same from the industry and
other interested parties. 

The venue of the stakeholders meeting shall be communicated in the
course of the week.  We look forward to receiving substantive comments
on the ITRs ahead of the stakeholders meeting.

Best regards,

Christopher Wambua
Manager/Communications
Consumer and Public Affairs Division 
Communications Commission of Kenya
P.O. Box 14448, NAIROBI 00800
KENYA

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Behalf Of alice at apc.org
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 3:40 PM
To: Wambua, Christopher
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?

Dear all

I agree with Omo. Is it possible to provide/discuss substantive comments
to the current proposals for revisions of ITRs to assist the CCK
finalize
on developing a national position.

However, I can also understand why some stakeholder are not able to
contribute. It would have been good, in retrospect to have organized a
session to dymystify the ITRs and the discuss the merits/demerits of the
current proposals.

Apologies for adding to the noise rather than contributing
substantively.

best
Alice

> Thanks Nd Kivuva. Somehow, I didn't receive Nd Ali's response to mine
> which you seem to have responded to and for which I thank you.
>
> CCK had posted the AfCPs inviting views in order to prepare for the
Ghana
> meeting and also the meeting in Dubai. We indicated that we subscribed
to
> the same, having contributed to their development. There was also a
> request that we study Proposals from other Regions. Further, there was
a
> promise then, and still is, that CCK would convene a meeting of
> Stakeholders before the meeting in Dubai. Giving or taking credit for
> pushing Government on its views on ITRs is inappropriate when the
> initiative was itself from Government/CCK.
>
> To date, much of what I hear is not on substantive input, either on
the
> AfCPs or Proposals from other Regions, but clamour for a Stakeholders'
> meeting or posting such as "thanks for a promise of a breakfast
meeting"
> or 'pushing Gov't on its views'! We are a growing to be a society more
> comfortable attending workshops/breakfast meetings rather than the
actual
> 'on the table work.'  Let me reiterate that the rubber will meet the
road,
> not in the fact that CCK has organised a Stake holder's workshop, but
in a
> delegation that has prepared its docs, read the meeting docs/docs from
> other Regions and prepared to present reasoned arguments.
>
> Even as we hail the promise of a breakfast meeting or giving credit
for
> pushing Gov't, please let us read the postings and offer substantive
> comments. It would help if the local Secretariat can prepare
documentation
> for the workshop/breakfast meeting based on views presented apriori.
As
> mentioned earlier, the official report of Ghana is out and should be
> posted either today or tomorrow.
>
> Kind rgds.
>
> OMO, John,
> Commission Secretary,
> Communications Commission of Kenya,
> P.O. Box 14448 Nairobi 00800.
> Tel: +254 20 4242285/6 Cell: +254722523348
> "I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to
bear" -
> Martin Luther King Jr.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: kictanet on behalf of Kivuva
> Sent: Sun 11/4/2012 18:42
> To: Omo, John
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?
>
>
>
> Thank you Ali for pushing for a government position on ITRs. When
> there is silence it means that
> 1. The government is playing their position like a secret card that
> should not be shown in public.
> 2. We don't have a position.
> 3. We don't understand what is being discussed.
>
> Thanks Dr. Ndemo for the hint of a breakfast meeting to clear the air.
>
> Regards
>
> On 04/11/2012, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>> Ndugu Omo
>>
>> Thanks for your note. I had actually refrained from posting any
comments
>> because of the Ghana meeting. In retrospect may be I should have
>> irrespective of the Ghana meeting.
>>
>> I must say that this kind of discourse is definitely helpful and goes
a
>> long
>> way in calming the waters.
>>
>> I look forward to the stakeholders meeting in the 13th Nov.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ali Hussein
>> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
>> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
>>
>> +254 773/713 601113
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:06 AM, "Omo, John" <Omo at cck.go.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> Noted and thanks Nd Ali.
>>>
>>> We had posted a draft of the African Common Proposals (AfCPs)
amending
>>> the
>>> ITRs. The AfCPs were the culmination of two preparatory meetings by
>>> Stakeholders held in Cairo and Durban. Our request was that Kenyan
>>> Stakeholders study and forward comments on the same to assist in our
>>> preparations for the preparatory meeting held in Ghana and also for
a
>>> Kenyan Stakeholders meeting before the Dubai meeting. I remember
>>> getting
>>> indications that you'd study the same and revert with your comments.
We
>>> are still waiting.
>>>
>>> The way this works is this: in order to have better use of time at
>>> Conferences, stakeholders are encouraged develop proposals common to
>>> their
>>> regions. Of course Member States, being sovereign, can submit their
>>> individual proposals separate from and even in opposition to their
>>> Regions
>>> (See a number of US proposals or common to both the US and Canada,
that
>>> are different from those of CITEL to which both countries are a
>>> member).
>>> But it is better that views that are similar to  a region or
>>> inter-region/s are submitted and discussed as common proposals. That
>>> hastens consensus building and saves on time at the Conference. We
had
>>> indicated that our views as a country was pretty much a long the
>>> proposed
>>> AfCPs to which we have contributed.
>>>
>>> The official outcome of the Ghana meeting is now out and has some
>>> improvements to the Durban draft. We are uploading the same early
this
>>> week, again with a request to Stakeholders submit substantive
comments
>>> that would aid in either endorsing/not endorsing the same. The
>>> proposals
>>> will still be debated strenuously at the Conference which will take
>>> decisions largely by way of consensus. Please, please let us study
the
>>> draft proposals including those from other Regions - that is where
the
>>> rubber will meet the road in Dubai. Tentatively, we plan to have a
>>> local
>>> stakeholders meeting on the 13th Nov.
>>>
>>> With kind rgds.
>>> OMO, John
>>> Commission Secretary
>>> Communications Commission of Kenya
>>> P.O. Box 14448 Nairobi 00800
>>> Tel: +254 20 4242285/6
>>> Cell: +254722523348
>>>
>>>  "I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to
>>> bear" -
>>> Martin Luther King Jr.
>>>
>>> From: kictanet on behalf of Ali Hussein
>>> Sent: Sat 11/3/2012 09:17
>>> To: Omo, John
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>> Thanks for the clarifications and updates.
>>>
>>> Listers
>>>
>>> I hate to bring this issue up again but should the utter and
complete
>>> silence from the CCK on our country position raise red flags?
>>>
>>> Bwana DG Wangusi with all due respect to your good offices can we
have
>>> some sort of statement on this issue? I believe it is critically
>>> important
>>> that we do know and I honestly believe that whatever that position
is
>>> (whether it emanates from the IGF deliberations or not) it should
now
>>> be
>>> made public. We are less than two months away from WCIT Dubai.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Ali Hussein
>>> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
>>> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
>>>
>>> +254 773/713 601113
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Nov 3, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Chip Sharp (chsharp)"
<chsharp at cisco.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sorry I'm late to this conversation,  but I wanted to point out
a
>>>> few
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>>  The only proposals for revision of the ITRs that will be
considered
>>>> at
>>>> the WCIT are from Member States or Regional groups (e.g., ATU,
CEPT).
>>>>
>>>> This means there are no ITU proposals to the WCIT.  So where the
>>>> article
>>>> says "ITU proposal" it should say "country or regional proposal".
>>>>
>>>> It also means there is no ETNO proposal to the WCIT. The text ETNO
>>>> have
>>>> proposed must be submitted by a country or region or it won't be
>>>> considered.
>>>>
>>>> The proposals that have been made public are not officially to be
>>>> considered at WCIT.  The countries or regions must submit their
>>>> proposals
>>>> (again) directly to the WCIT.  These country proposals to the WCIT
can
>>>> be
>>>> different from what has been made public.  After reviewing the
current
>>>> submissions to WCIT I can say that some are different from what the
>>>> same
>>>> country or region proposed in the public document.  A few of the
>>>> differences are important. So ITU would need to make TD-1 and its
>>>> revisions public to keep people informed as to the actual proposals
>>>> into
>>>> WCIT.
>>>>
>>>> ATU proposals are not yet available on the ITU website.
>>>>
>>>> Chip
>>>> **Disclaimer:  these are my opinions and not those of Cisco or the
US
>>>> del.***
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 2012, at 6:49 AM, "George Nyabuga" <george at afrinic.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An interesting article in The Guardian, quoting, among others, our
>>>>> own
>>>>> Alice Munyua. But what the listers make of it?
>>>>>
>>>>> See article at:
>>>>>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/17/who-rules-internet?CMP=
twt_gu
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr George Nyabuga
>>>>> Tel:
>>>>> +230 403 51 00
>>>>> Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC           Fax:  +230 466 67
58
>>>>> george at afrinic.net - www.afrinic.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Sudan,
>>>>> on 24 - 29 November 2012
>>>>>
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