[kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in Kenya
Barrack Otieno
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Tue Mar 20 10:51:45 EAT 2012
Thanks for the clarification Michuki.
On 3/20/12, Michuki Mwangi <michuki at swiftkenya.com> wrote:
> Wash, et al,
>
> Let me try and clarify one thing. There will never be demand for IPv6
> just like there was never a demand for IPv4 because users don't care
> much about the underlying technology. However, the users will provide a
> constant demand for old and new Internet services.
>
> As a result if you are an ISP intending to remain in the Internet
> business you need to have the resources to deliver these services
> competitively. Failure to plan and deploy IPv6 will mean that the ISP
> will have two options;
> 1. Deploy expensive IPv4 to IPv6 translation devices or,
> 2. Incur costs due to early/unplanned upgrade cycle.
>
> Mind you, the issue is not the core network, but the edge and CPE units
> that have long upgrade cycles. In addition, most of these consumer
> devices lack a firmware update option.
>
> Remember for an ISP to remain competitive the subscriber's entry and
> monthly recurrent costs have to be low. CPE costs are often met by the
> subscriber fully either on entry, or through a recovery fee charged
> nominally each month for a period often defined as the service/useful
> life of the product.
>
> Considering that in Africa we are largely consumers of the Internet, the
> early adopters (Asia, Europe and the US) have already started utilizing
> IPv6 thus requiring ISPs to deploy either of the above 2 options.
> Failure to which would lead to inability to serve demanding subscribers.
>
>
> Lastly, being first movers or what is referred to as "early adopters"
> has its distinct advantages as follows;
>
> 1. Operational experience in IPv6 which is currently limited globally
> 2. Understand the business case and opportunities brought by IPv6
> 3. Working with vendors to develop solutions (read free testing gear)
> 4. Migration paths are aligned with hardware upgrade cycles (no
> surprises on upgrades)
>
> 5. Early adopters are not exposed to last minute issues like high
> hardware costs, staff training costs, consultants/solution implementers
> costs, etc. Remember when you implement a solution late its a
> product/service which has to be procured and implemented. When you adopt
> early, there are often no procurement costs, training is more of R&D and
> no external experts since the inhouse engineers the solution implementers.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Michuki.
>
> On 3/19/12 1:36 PM, Barrack Otieno wrote:
>> I agree with you Wash, very good points.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Barrack Otieno
>> <otieno.barrack at gmail.com <mailto:otieno.barrack at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Well said Walu , what you didnt say is why? i listened to Michuki
>> recently outlining his vision of 70% local traffic and 30 Percent
>> International for the African continent, he had very good economic
>> arguments for the same, the problem is we are not telling businesses
>> and users why they they need to embrace IPv6, we seem to be focusing
>> on the hows, i suppose that is the reason we keep lagging, Internet
>> economic still dont make much sense in this part of the world since
>> we seem to abhor research and innovation.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Wash,
>>
>> Allow me to focus on the "RIR"- Regional Internet Registry
>> (www.Afrinic.net <http://www.Afrinic.net>) questions since I
>> have some affiliation there.
>>
>> 1. You are right that RIR should push this agenda and Afrinic
>> has been doing so over the years by training techies across
>> africa on IPv6. But the major problem as we discovered is
>> really is NOT lack of technical IPv6 skills; it seems the IPv6
>> problem is more business rather than technical. Take Safaricom
>> for example, with its 20m+ subscriber base, and with highly
>> qualified Internet engineers, why dont they adopt and deploy
>> IPv6 en-masse? Its a business call, the engineers are there and
>> ready to deploy, the Business leaders may not be.
>>
>> 2. And then again, one cannot blame the Business leaders.
>> Business leaders make the call for IPv6, if the customer
>> demands. But really, a customer has never seen and does NOT want
>> an IPv4 number, let alone an IPv6 number. Its none of their
>> business. So we have a chicken and egg problem, Business leader
>> waiting for customer to demand, customer will never demand for
>> IPv6.
>>
>> 3. Preferred solution. Stumble across an IPv6 Killer
>> application. Something that runs (purely) on IPv6 and is
>> popular. This would then force Telcos to go in that direction.
>> Unfortunately this magic bullet application does not exist, and
>> is likely not to exist because of deliberate effort to
>> interoperate v4 and v6.
>>
>> 4. Current Solution. For regions e.g Asia Pacific, Europe and
>> soon USA, where IPv4 is (getting) depleted. They have been
>> forced to adopt IPv6. And this answers you last issue - staying
>> ahead. These folks will be "staying ahead" in terms of IPv6
>> experience/deployement/knowhow. They will enjoy 1st mover
>> advantages that Africa will be buying from them in years ahead.
>>
>> walu.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 3/19/12, Odhiambo Washington /<odhiambo at gmail.com
>> <mailto:odhiambo at gmail.com>>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com
>> <mailto:odhiambo at gmail.com>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in Kenya
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com <mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> <mailto:kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
>> Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:46 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi Walu,
>>
>> What was the mandate of the Kenyan IPv6 Task Force? I hope
>> it's not just another boardroom Task Force.
>>
>> I saw the following on FaceBook yesterday:
>>
>>
>> "When Asia trained engineers Africa trained
>> experts in debate. Can't fix roads by simply
>> organizing stakeholder consultations."
>>
>> It can be further said that we can't fix IPv6 by simply
>> appointing Task Forces. Let me explain why.
>> The adoption of IPv6 should be driven, first by need, then
>> by the entities responsible for assigning the IPs. I think
>> it should be that simple. I still don't see why it needed a
>> Task Force.
>>
>> Let me look at this from the simplest terms:
>>
>> I think the pace of adoption does not have to be driven by
>> pressure from other sides of the planet, but by the RIRs,
>> but still based on need. An RIR may shout from the rooftops
>> that they have depleted their IPv4 space, but "allocation"
>> and "assignment" are two different things, right?
>> They may be over with their allocation, while the entities
>> allocated those IPs haven't assigned all of them, and are
>> still comfortable. Now, does the RIR start forcing the
>> entities (mostly ISPs) to start using their IPv6
>> allocations? No.
>>
>> Time will come when the IPv6 space will start being utilized.
>>
>> I don't see how the deployment of IPv6 makes us "stay
>> ahead"of anyone though. It's just an IP address. Staying
>> ahead depends on economic factors, no?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:28, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com
>> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Paul/Barrack,
>>
>> I agree, dismal performance. And to imagine the rest of
>> East Africa expects us to be leading on this front, it
>> is truly a shameful performance. And that reminds me,
>> the PS Ndemo did inaugurated the Kenyan IPv6 Task force
>> 2yrs ago - of which I am a member but I will not name
>> the others for security reasons
>>
>> Perhaps, there could be some synergy with the ISOC_Ke
>> guys on this to make sure Kenya stays in the forefront
>> of promoting IPv6 usage.
>>
>> walu.
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 3/19/12, Barrack Otieno
>> /<otieno.barrack at gmail.com
>> <http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com>>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com
>> <http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in
>> Kenya
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> <http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
>> Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:16 PM
>>
>>
>> Thanks Paul.
>>
>> Looking forwad to the ISOC_ke IP V6 program under
>> your leadership.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Paul M
>> <paulitrix at gmail.com
>> <http://mc/compose?to=paulitrix@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Take a look at this page. Gives revealing but
>> dismal statistics over the state of IPv6 in Kenya.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/detailed.php?country=ke
>>
>>
>> --
>> :-) Paul M
>>
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