[kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in Kenya

Mon Mar 19 22:43:18 EAT 2012

@JGitau,

Are you suggesting that one day, someone will just wake up and make the
LIR's withdraw all IPs in the IPv4 address space, thus making businesses
find themselves in a fix - the need to implement IPv6 like yesterday?
I still think the "need" must be there, and be appreciated. You are in a
better position to correct me.

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 20:17, John Gitau <jgitau at gmail.com> wrote:

> This has not and probably never will be a technical issue. I figured a way
> to get this to work. Wait for an 'emergency' consult for all the businesses
> that are note readying themselves for IPv6. make money.
> My take on this would be:
>
> - The same way we are promoting .KE domains, each and every business heck
> throw in all clueful individuals should be handed an AS and a block of IPv6
> by their favorite LIR.
> - This will at least have some run on IPv6 internally.
> - Each of these businesses should force their service provider to route
> those IPv6 addresses. Everything including DNS should be handled by teh SP.
> -If you have a site, insist it also be reachable via IPv6 as a customer.
> Service providers will take notice.
> -rework all your requirement documents to have IPv6.
>
> as a technical guy; train on DNS alongside IPv6.
>
> Gitau
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Wash,
>>
>> Allow me to focus on the "RIR"- Regional Internet Registry (
>> www.Afrinic.net) questions since I have some affiliation there.
>>
>> 1. You are right that RIR should push this agenda and Afrinic has been
>> doing so over the years by training techies across africa on IPv6.  But the
>> major problem as we discovered is really is NOT lack of technical IPv6
>> skills; it seems the IPv6 problem is more business rather than technical.
>> Take Safaricom for example, with its 20m+ subscriber base, and with highly
>> qualified Internet engineers, why dont they adopt and deploy IPv6 en-masse?
>> Its a business call, the engineers are there and ready to deploy, the
>> Business leaders may not be.
>>
>> 2.  And then again, one cannot blame the Business leaders. Business
>> leaders make the call for IPv6, if the customer demands. But really, a
>> customer has never seen and does NOT want an IPv4 number, let alone an IPv6
>> number. Its none of their business.  So we have a chicken and egg problem,
>> Business leader waiting for customer to demand, customer will never demand
>> for IPv6.
>>
>> 3. Preferred solution.  Stumble across an IPv6 Killer application.
>> Something that runs (purely) on IPv6 and is popular. This would then force
>> Telcos to go in that direction. Unfortunately this magic bullet application
>> does not exist, and is likely not to exist because of deliberate effort to
>> interoperate v4 and v6.
>>
>> 4. Current Solution. For regions e.g Asia Pacific, Europe and soon USA,
>> where IPv4 is (getting) depleted. They have been forced to adopt IPv6. And
>> this answers you last issue - staying ahead. These folks will be "staying
>> ahead" in terms of IPv6 experience/deployement/knowhow. They will enjoy 1st
>> mover advantages that Africa will be buying from them in years ahead.
>>
>> walu.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 3/19/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in Kenya
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:46 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi Walu,
>>
>> What was the mandate of the Kenyan IPv6 Task Force? I hope it's not just
>> another boardroom Task Force.
>>
>> I saw the following on FaceBook yesterday:
>> "When Asia trained engineers Africa trained experts in debate. Can't fix
>> roads by simply organizing stakeholder consultations."It can be further
>> said that we can't fix IPv6 by simply appointing Task Forces. Let me
>> explain why.
>> The adoption of IPv6 should be driven, first by need, then by the
>> entities responsible for assigning the IPs. I think it should be that
>> simple. I still don't see why it needed a Task Force.
>>
>> Let me look at this from the simplest terms:
>>
>> I think the pace of adoption does not have to be driven by pressure from
>> other sides of the planet, but by the RIRs, but still based on need. An RIR
>> may shout from the rooftops that they have depleted their IPv4 space, but
>> "allocation" and "assignment" are two different things, right?
>> They may be over with their allocation, while the entities allocated
>> those IPs haven't assigned all of them, and are still comfortable. Now,
>> does the RIR start forcing the entities (mostly ISPs) to start using their
>> IPv6 allocations? No.
>>
>> Time will come when the IPv6 space will start being utilized.
>>
>> I don't see how the deployment of IPv6 makes us "stay ahead"of anyone
>> though. It's just an IP address. Staying ahead depends on economic factors,
>> no?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:28, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com<http://mc/[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>  Paul/Barrack,
>>
>> I agree, dismal performance.  And to imagine the rest of East Africa
>> expects us to be leading on this front, it is truly a shameful
>> performance.  And that reminds me, the PS Ndemo did inaugurated the Kenyan
>> IPv6 Task force 2yrs ago - of which I am a member but I will not name the
>> others for security reasons
>>
>> Perhaps, there could be some synergy with the ISOC_Ke guys on this to
>> make sure Kenya stays in the forefront of promoting IPv6 usage.
>>
>> walu.
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 3/19/12, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com<http://mc/[email protected]>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com<http://mc/[email protected]>
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in Kenya
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com <http://mc/[email protected]>
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>> >
>> Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:16 PM
>>
>>
>> Thanks Paul.
>>
>> Looking forwad to the ISOC_ke  IP V6 program under your leadership.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Paul M <paulitrix at gmail.com<http://mc/[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Take a look at this page. Gives revealing but dismal statistics over the
>> state of IPv6 in Kenya.
>>
>> http://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/detailed.php?country=ke
>>
>>
>> --
>> :-) Paul M
>>
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