[kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in Kenya

Mon Mar 19 13:35:26 EAT 2012

@Walu,

First mover advantages? What is it?

Those people deployed IP first, before Shem Ochuodho and Randy Bush gave KE
a 64Kbps link!

How did it work to their economic advantage? Perhaps that justifications
might get the Kenyans "competing".

Let me give you a stupid clue. Kenyans love freebies, so much. Encourage
them along that angle:-)

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 13:27, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Wash,
>
> Allow me to focus on the "RIR"- Regional Internet Registry (
> www.Afrinic.net) questions since I have some affiliation there.
>
> 1. You are right that RIR should push this agenda and Afrinic has been
> doing so over the years by training techies across africa on IPv6.  But the
> major problem as we discovered is really is NOT lack of technical IPv6
> skills; it seems the IPv6 problem is more business rather than technical.
> Take Safaricom for example, with its 20m+ subscriber base, and with highly
> qualified Internet engineers, why dont they adopt and deploy IPv6 en-masse?
> Its a business call, the engineers are there and ready to deploy, the
> Business leaders may not be.
>
> 2.  And then again, one cannot blame the Business leaders. Business
> leaders make the call for IPv6, if the customer demands. But really, a
> customer has never seen and does NOT want an IPv4 number, let alone an IPv6
> number. Its none of their business.  So we have a chicken and egg problem,
> Business leader waiting for customer to demand, customer will never demand
> for IPv6.
>
> 3. Preferred solution.  Stumble across an IPv6 Killer application.
> Something that runs (purely) on IPv6 and is popular. This would then force
> Telcos to go in that direction. Unfortunately this magic bullet application
> does not exist, and is likely not to exist because of deliberate effort to
> interoperate v4 and v6.
>
> 4. Current Solution. For regions e.g Asia Pacific, Europe and soon USA,
> where IPv4 is (getting) depleted. They have been forced to adopt IPv6. And
> this answers you last issue - staying ahead. These folks will be "staying
> ahead" in terms of IPv6 experience/deployement/knowhow. They will enjoy 1st
> mover advantages that Africa will be buying from them in years ahead.
>
> walu.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 3/19/12, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in Kenya
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:46 PM
>
>
> Hi Walu,
>
> What was the mandate of the Kenyan IPv6 Task Force? I hope it's not just
> another boardroom Task Force.
>
> I saw the following on FaceBook yesterday:
> "When Asia trained engineers Africa trained experts in debate. Can't fix
> roads by simply organizing stakeholder consultations."It can be further
> said that we can't fix IPv6 by simply appointing Task Forces. Let me
> explain why.
> The adoption of IPv6 should be driven, first by need, then by the entities
> responsible for assigning the IPs. I think it should be that simple. I
> still don't see why it needed a Task Force.
>
> Let me look at this from the simplest terms:
>
> I think the pace of adoption does not have to be driven by pressure from
> other sides of the planet, but by the RIRs, but still based on need. An RIR
> may shout from the rooftops that they have depleted their IPv4 space, but
> "allocation" and "assignment" are two different things, right?
> They may be over with their allocation, while the entities allocated those
> IPs haven't assigned all of them, and are still comfortable. Now, does the
> RIR start forcing the entities (mostly ISPs) to start using their IPv6
> allocations? No.
>
> Time will come when the IPv6 space will start being utilized.
>
> I don't see how the deployment of IPv6 makes us "stay ahead"of anyone
> though. It's just an IP address. Staying ahead depends on economic factors,
> no?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:28, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com<http://mc/[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
>  Paul/Barrack,
>
> I agree, dismal performance.  And to imagine the rest of East Africa
> expects us to be leading on this front, it is truly a shameful
> performance.  And that reminds me, the PS Ndemo did inaugurated the Kenyan
> IPv6 Task force 2yrs ago - of which I am a member but I will not name the
> others for security reasons
>
> Perhaps, there could be some synergy with the ISOC_Ke guys on this to make
> sure Kenya stays in the forefront of promoting IPv6 usage.
>
> walu.
>
> --- On *Mon, 3/19/12, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com<http://mc/[email protected]>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com<http://mc/[email protected]>
> >
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in Kenya
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com <http://mc/[email protected]>
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
> >
> Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:16 PM
>
>
> Thanks Paul.
>
> Looking forwad to the ISOC_ke  IP V6 program under your leadership.
>
> Best Regards
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Paul M <paulitrix at gmail.com<http://mc/[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
>
> Take a look at this page. Gives revealing but dismal statistics over the
> state of IPv6 in Kenya.
>
> http://www.vyncke.org/ipv6status/detailed.php?country=ke
>
>
> --
> :-) Paul M
>
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