@Walu,<br><br>First mover advantages? What is it?<br><br>Those people deployed IP first, before Shem Ochuodho and Randy Bush gave KE a 64Kbps link!<br><br>How did it work to their economic advantage? Perhaps that justifications might get the Kenyans "competing".<br>
<br>Let me give you a stupid clue. Kenyans love freebies, so much. Encourage them along that angle:-)<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 13:27, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top">Wash,<br><br>Allow me to focus on the "RIR"- Regional Internet Registry (<a href="http://www.Afrinic.net" target="_blank">www.Afrinic.net</a>) questions since I have some affiliation there.<br>
<br>1. You are right that RIR should push this agenda and Afrinic has been doing so over the years by training techies across africa on IPv6. But the major problem as we discovered is really is NOT lack of technical IPv6 skills; it seems the IPv6 problem is more business rather than technical. Take Safaricom for example, with its 20m+ subscriber base, and with highly qualified Internet engineers, why dont they adopt and deploy IPv6 en-masse? Its a business call, the engineers are there and ready to deploy, the Business leaders may not be.<br>
<br>2. And then again, one cannot blame the Business leaders. Business leaders make the call for IPv6, if the customer demands. But really, a customer has never seen
and does NOT want an IPv4 number, let alone an IPv6 number. Its none of their business. So we have a chicken and egg problem, Business leader waiting for customer to demand, customer will never demand for IPv6.<br><br>
3. Preferred solution. Stumble across an IPv6 Killer application. Something that runs (purely) on IPv6 and is popular. This would then force Telcos to go in that direction. Unfortunately this magic bullet application does not exist, and is likely not to exist because of deliberate effort to interoperate v4 and v6.<br>
<br>4. Current Solution. For regions e.g Asia Pacific, Europe and soon USA, where IPv4 is (getting) depleted. They have been forced to adopt IPv6. And this answers you last issue - staying ahead. These folks will be "staying ahead" in terms of IPv6 experience/deployement/knowhow. They will enjoy 1st mover advantages that Africa will be buying from them in years ahead.<br>
<br>walu.<br><br><br><br><br><br>--- On
<b>Mon, 3/19/12, Odhiambo Washington <i><<a href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target="_blank">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px">
<br>From: Odhiambo Washington <<a href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target="_blank">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>><div class="im"><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in Kenya<br>To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br></div>Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:46 PM<div><div class="h5">
<br><br><div>Hi Walu,<br><br>What was the mandate of the Kenyan IPv6 Task Force? I hope it's not just another boardroom Task Force.<br><br>I saw the following on FaceBook yesterday:<br><h6 style="font-weight:normal">
<font><span>"When Asia trained engineers Africa trained experts in debate. Can't fix roads by simply organizing stakeholder consultations."</span></font></h6>It can be further said that we can't fix IPv6 by simply appointing Task Forces. Let me explain why.<br>
The adoption of IPv6 should be driven, first by need, then by the entities responsible for assigning the IPs. I think it should be that simple. I still don't see why it needed a Task Force.<br><br>Let me look at this from the simplest terms:<br>
<br>I think the pace of adoption does not have to be driven by pressure from other sides of the planet, but by the RIRs, but still based on need. An RIR may shout from the rooftops that they have depleted their IPv4 space, but "allocation" and "assignment" are two different things, right?<br>
They may be over with their allocation, while the entities allocated those IPs haven't assigned all of them, and are still comfortable. Now, does the RIR start forcing the entities (mostly ISPs) to start using their IPv6 allocations? No.<br>
<br>Time will come when the IPv6 space will start being utilized.<br><br>I don't see how the deployment of IPv6 makes us "stay ahead"of anyone though. It's just an IP address. Staying ahead depends on economic factors, no?<br>
<br><br><br><div>On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:28, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
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Paul/Barrack,<br><br>I agree, dismal performance. And to imagine the rest of East Africa expects us to be leading on this front, it is truly a shameful performance. And that reminds me, the PS Ndemo did inaugurated the Kenyan IPv6 Task force 2yrs ago - of which I am a member but I will not name the others for security reasons <img src=""><br>
<br>Perhaps, there could be some synergy with the ISOC_Ke guys on this to make sure Kenya stays in the forefront of promoting IPv6 usage.<br><br>walu.<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 3/19/12, Barrack Otieno <i><<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><br>From: Barrack Otieno <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in
Kenya<br>To: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:16 PM<div><div><br><br><div>Thanks Paul.<div><br></div><div>Looking forwad to the ISOC_ke IP V6 program under your leadership.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards<br><br><div>
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Paul M <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=paulitrix@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulitrix@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"><br clear="all"><div>Take a look at this page. Gives revealing but dismal statistics over the state of IPv6 in Kenya. </div>
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