[kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities

Tue Jun 7 12:49:51 EAT 2011

On point Victor, hence the reason I chose the title of vision 2030 and
misplaced priorities, we will continue building infrastructure using
debt and use them to dry maize or have our goats which know nothing
about return on investment rest on them simply because we allowed
those who know why to develop and  implement projects without
involvement of the affected, I read in a book that he who knows how is
always at the mercy of he who knows why, I admit people are losing
faith in stakeholder forums and calling them talkshops because there
is no one to hold accountable, the leaders blame the citizens yet the
citizens try to ensure that they have a comfortable environment so
that they can think on their behalf through paying taxes.

On 6/7/11, Victor Gathara <vgathara at vimak.co.ke> wrote:
> Barack,
>
> I agree that a stakeholder forum would be important in tackling this. But
> how to prevent it from being just another 'talking shop'. It would need
> serious buy-in from the most important stakeholders i.e both GoK ministries
> of health. My feeling is that this is low on their priority list...
>
> Victor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> Behalf Of Barrack Otieno
> Sent: 06 June 2011 18:33
> To: vgathara at vimak.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
>
> Interesting thoughts colleagues at the beginning of this thread I proposed a
> stakeholder forum to agree on a framework for implementing the best
> proposals, two major ICT companies have already developed solutions and are
> agreeable to public private partnerships, there are people willing to donate
> their time like Phares, I believe that would be a better way to develop a
> lasting solution, we have a very proactive Ps and I believe he can bring on
> board his counterparts from the health sector.
>
> On 6/6/11, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com> wrote:
>> We as a society have a general problem with ethics. Corruption will
>> not be stopped by technology (as KRA have adequately shown
>> http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/KRA+staff+tamper+with+system/-/1
>> 006/1175610/-/4bvxgl/-/index.html
>> ).
>>
>> A system of ethics needs to be ingrained in the country. A realization
>> that when you don't do your job/take shortcuts/cut corners/bribe etc
>> the consequences go beyond your immediate short term gain... the fact
>> that such behaviour in the long run, if goes unchecked affects you...
>> I think what's worse for me is that while 'our generation' had a
>> proper grounding in ethics etc and chose to depart from them, the
>> newer generation ships with flawed function i.e. ask an 18 year old if
>> it's wrong to overlap in traffic, he won't agree, it's behaviour he has
> seen since he was a child...
>>
>> With regards to software for hospitals, it's rather simple to build
>> and maintain an Open Source cloud based repository and get hosting for
>> it, I guess the biggest question would be whether anyone would use
>> it... I have a background in cloud computing/virtualization etc and
>> would be willing to volunteer my time for the same...
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I
>>> liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at
>>> Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is
>>> develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"*
>>>
>>> Agreed! Let's walk the talk.
>>> --
>>> Josiah Mugambi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, robert yawe
> <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I
>>>> liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at
>>>> Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is
>>>> develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"
>>>>
>>>> Such a culture explains why Facebook is as successful as it is and
>>>> all we do here is cry like suckling babies, if someone has a
>>>> solution to this issue just develop the app and present it, this
>>>> theoretical approach to dealing with issues needs to come to a
>>>> sudden and abrupt end.
>>>>
>>>> I feel we are producing too many theorists in our Universities and
>>>> its is time we concentrated on practical courses as is done in
>>>> technical colleges otherwise we are doomed as clerks.  Former
>>>> Presidents Moi was trying to sort this issue out with the 8-4-4
>>>> system which we keep trying to kill with no justification.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>> Kenya
>>>>
>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>>>> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < >
>>>> *Sent:* Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:16:59
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
>>>>
>>>> Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030  - thats the
>>>> topic picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health
>>>> sector. Nurses and medical officers usually take over the roles of
>>>> doctors in many public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine
> based on symptoms.
>>>> The
>>>> Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical
>>>> ailments.
>>>> As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our
>>>> best have already been lured away , see related story
>>>> http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
>>>>
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>> --
>> With Regards,
>>
>> Phares Kariuki
>>
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