[kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?

Tue Jul 12 07:53:29 EAT 2011

@Barrack - I think parts of this thread can help feed into the IGF
discussions of the other week.    I think opendata.go.ke has been timely and
may have helped listers understand the cloud a little more - and the thunder
that might lurk therein...

On 12 July 2011 07:17, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting points listers, let us not give up on motherland, i would be
> content if the current arrangement is just a stop gap measure and that at
> some point in the near future we will have opendata.go.ke hosted locally,
> i cast my vote with Washi albeit ignorantly that at least a new job will be
> created locally, to say the least didnt we pull it off with mpesa?, we are
> too obsessed with ROI to the extent that we can not even set aside money for
> R&D, if we cant attempt, who will do it? reminds me of a story about a pit
> latrine built in one of the remote areas of our country which was hardly
> used by the locals..reasons..they were not involved..my two
> cents..err..cowries as well :-)
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Lucy Kimani <lkimani at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Mwendwa
>>
>> Another "aha" moment where I choose to see the glass as being half full
>> and not half empty:-)  IMHO the undersea cables were much more of a daunting
>> task than data centers, and I am glad to see elsewhere that according to PS
>> Ndemo, the GOK has almost completed their data centers so it will not take
>> decades for a local solution.  Also a public and private sector model
>> similar to the Cables seems to have worked out quite well so should Google
>> fail to see the business opportunity then perhaps Microsoft, IBM, SaS or
>> even Amazon and locally as Ali challenged, KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel;
>> Orange etc would be willing to fill in the gap.  Whoever decides to step up
>> their game could lead and gain a giant market share in cloud computing akin
>> to what Safricom did and everyone else has been playing catch up ever
>> since.... I have faith in the capacity of the mwanainchi to maintain and
>> innovate even further.
>>
>> LK
>>
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 7/11/11, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
>> To: lkimani at yahoo.com
>>
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 3:55 PM
>>
>> to quote Conrad "This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad
>> until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable
>> prices
>> and services."
>>
>> We should not hit ourselves too much. It will take decades
>> to reach the level of SAVVIS, Softlayer, Amazon, Rackspace, et al. in
>> providing affordable
>> solutions. It has been discussed on this list time and time again the
>> problems we face in Kenya and other developing countries.
>>
>> 1. Energy: - How can we compete with countries using nuclear power
>> while our hydo
>> power is not enough to light all our bulbs?
>> 2. Even if we amalgamated all our locally hosted content to one datacenter
>> half the size of the Amazon's cloud, would the businessman achieve
>> ROI? Would we
>> achieve prices close to those in USA?
>> 3. Do we have enough and competent human resource capacity to maintain the
>> infrastructure, code, and implement world class hosting companies?
>> 4. Are our innovations and R&D capable to make us remain competitive even
>> when business dynamics shift?
>>
>> At another forum, Google's Mucheru was asked why they are not setting
>> servers in Kenya! His answer was "The bottom line is Return on investment"
>>
>> Regards
>> Mwendwa
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/07/2011, Ali Hussein <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>
>> wrote:
>> > Lucy
>> >
>> > All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
>> >
>> > I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service
>> Providers.
>> > However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a
>> > Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my
>> question
>> > to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for
>> the
>> > Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
>> >
>> > Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the
>> > gauntlet?
>> >
>> > Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani at yahoo.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>> >
>> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47
>> > To: info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>> <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>> >
>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
>> >
>> > All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example
>> not
>> > have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then
>> serve
>> > east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if
>> such
>> > data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they
>> > would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in
>> that
>> > the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore
>> abide by
>> > the laws.
>> >
>> > LK
>> >
>> > On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
>> >>
>> >> Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two
>> >> worlds...
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>> >
>> >> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com at lists.kictanet.or.keDate<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
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>> >> Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:24:16
>> >> To: <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
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>> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
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>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
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