[kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?

Tue Jul 12 07:57:48 EAT 2011

Thats correct Francis, very insightfull thoughts on this thread.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook at gmail.com>wrote:

> @Barrack - I think parts of this thread can help feed into the IGF
> discussions of the other week.    I think opendata.go.ke has been timely
> and may have helped listers understand the cloud a little more - and the
> thunder that might lurk therein...
>
> On 12 July 2011 07:17, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting points listers, let us not give up on motherland, i would be
>> content if the current arrangement is just a stop gap measure and that at
>> some point in the near future we will have opendata.go.ke hosted locally,
>> i cast my vote with Washi albeit ignorantly that at least a new job will be
>> created locally, to say the least didnt we pull it off with mpesa?, we are
>> too obsessed with ROI to the extent that we can not even set aside money for
>> R&D, if we cant attempt, who will do it? reminds me of a story about a pit
>> latrine built in one of the remote areas of our country which was hardly
>> used by the locals..reasons..they were not involved..my two
>> cents..err..cowries as well :-)
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Lucy Kimani <lkimani at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mwendwa
>>>
>>> Another "aha" moment where I choose to see the glass as being half full
>>> and not half empty:-)  IMHO the undersea cables were much more of a daunting
>>> task than data centers, and I am glad to see elsewhere that according to PS
>>> Ndemo, the GOK has almost completed their data centers so it will not take
>>> decades for a local solution.  Also a public and private sector model
>>> similar to the Cables seems to have worked out quite well so should Google
>>> fail to see the business opportunity then perhaps Microsoft, IBM, SaS or
>>> even Amazon and locally as Ali challenged, KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel;
>>> Orange etc would be willing to fill in the gap.  Whoever decides to step up
>>> their game could lead and gain a giant market share in cloud computing akin
>>> to what Safricom did and everyone else has been playing catch up ever
>>> since.... I have faith in the capacity of the mwanainchi to maintain and
>>> innovate even further.
>>>
>>> LK
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 7/11/11, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
>>> To: lkimani at yahoo.com
>>>
>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 3:55 PM
>>>
>>> to quote Conrad "This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad
>>> until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable
>>> prices
>>> and services."
>>>
>>> We should not hit ourselves too much. It will take decades
>>> to reach the level of SAVVIS, Softlayer, Amazon, Rackspace, et al. in
>>> providing affordable
>>> solutions. It has been discussed on this list time and time again the
>>> problems we face in Kenya and other developing countries.
>>>
>>> 1. Energy: - How can we compete with countries using nuclear power
>>> while our hydo
>>> power is not enough to light all our bulbs?
>>> 2. Even if we amalgamated all our locally hosted content to one
>>> datacenter
>>> half the size of the Amazon's cloud, would the businessman achieve
>>> ROI? Would we
>>> achieve prices close to those in USA?
>>> 3. Do we have enough and competent human resource capacity to maintain
>>> the
>>> infrastructure, code, and implement world class hosting companies?
>>> 4. Are our innovations and R&D capable to make us remain competitive even
>>> when business dynamics shift?
>>>
>>> At another forum, Google's Mucheru was asked why they are not setting
>>> servers in Kenya! His answer was "The bottom line is Return on
>>> investment"
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Mwendwa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/07/2011, Ali Hussein <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Lucy
>>> >
>>> > All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
>>> >
>>> > I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service
>>> Providers.
>>> > However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a
>>> > Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my
>>> question
>>> > to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for
>>> the
>>> > Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
>>> >
>>> > Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the
>>> > gauntlet?
>>> >
>>> > Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani at yahoo.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>> >
>>> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47
>>> > To: info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>> <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>> >
>>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>> >
>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
>>> >
>>> > All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example
>>> not
>>> > have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then
>>> serve
>>> > east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if
>>> such
>>> > data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US
>>> they
>>> > would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in
>>> that
>>> > the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore
>>> abide by
>>> > the laws.
>>> >
>>> > LK
>>> >
>>> > On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
>>> >>
>>> >> Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two
>>> >> worlds...
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards
>>> >>
>>> >> Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>> >
>>> >> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com at lists.kictanet.or.keDate<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>> :
>>> >> Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:24:16
>>> >> To: <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>>> >
>>> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
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>>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
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