[kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?

Tue Jul 12 07:17:26 EAT 2011

Interesting points listers, let us not give up on motherland, i would be
content if the current arrangement is just a stop gap measure and that at
some point in the near future we will have opendata.go.ke hosted locally, i
cast my vote with Washi albeit ignorantly that at least a new job will be
created locally, to say the least didnt we pull it off with mpesa?, we are
too obsessed with ROI to the extent that we can not even set aside money for
R&D, if we cant attempt, who will do it? reminds me of a story about a pit
latrine built in one of the remote areas of our country which was hardly
used by the locals..reasons..they were not involved..my two
cents..err..cowries as well :-)

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Lucy Kimani <lkimani at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Mwendwa
>
> Another "aha" moment where I choose to see the glass as being half full and
> not half empty:-)  IMHO the undersea cables were much more of a daunting
> task than data centers, and I am glad to see elsewhere that according to PS
> Ndemo, the GOK has almost completed their data centers so it will not take
> decades for a local solution.  Also a public and private sector model
> similar to the Cables seems to have worked out quite well so should Google
> fail to see the business opportunity then perhaps Microsoft, IBM, SaS or
> even Amazon and locally as Ali challenged, KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel;
> Orange etc would be willing to fill in the gap.  Whoever decides to step up
> their game could lead and gain a giant market share in cloud computing akin
> to what Safricom did and everyone else has been playing catch up ever
> since.... I have faith in the capacity of the mwanainchi to maintain and
> innovate even further.
>
> LK
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 7/11/11, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
> To: lkimani at yahoo.com
>
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 3:55 PM
>
> to quote Conrad "This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad
> until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable prices
> and services."
>
> We should not hit ourselves too much. It will take decades
> to reach the level of SAVVIS, Softlayer, Amazon, Rackspace, et al. in
> providing affordable
> solutions. It has been discussed on this list time and time again the
> problems we face in Kenya and other developing countries.
>
> 1. Energy: - How can we compete with countries using nuclear power
> while our hydo
> power is not enough to light all our bulbs?
> 2. Even if we amalgamated all our locally hosted content to one datacenter
> half the size of the Amazon's cloud, would the businessman achieve
> ROI? Would we
> achieve prices close to those in USA?
> 3. Do we have enough and competent human resource capacity to maintain the
> infrastructure, code, and implement world class hosting companies?
> 4. Are our innovations and R&D capable to make us remain competitive even
> when business dynamics shift?
>
> At another forum, Google's Mucheru was asked why they are not setting
> servers in Kenya! His answer was "The bottom line is Return on investment"
>
> Regards
> Mwendwa
>
>
>
> On 11/07/2011, Ali Hussein <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=info@alyhussein.com>>
> wrote:
> > Lucy
> >
> > All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
> >
> > I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service
> Providers.
> > However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a
> > Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my
> question
> > to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for
> the
> > Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
> >
> > Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the
> > gauntlet?
> >
> > Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani at yahoo.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lkimani@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47
> > To: info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=info@alyhussein.com>
> <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=info@alyhussein.com>
> >
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
> >
> > All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example
> not
> > have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then
> serve
> > east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if
> such
> > data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they
> > would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in
> that
> > the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide
> by
> > the laws.
> >
> > LK
> >
> > On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=info@alyhussein.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >> My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
> >>
> >> Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two
> >> worlds...
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lordmwesh@gmail.com>
> >
> >> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com at lists.kictanet.or.keDate<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate>
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> >> Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:24:16
> >> To: <info at alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=info@alyhussein.com>
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