[kictanet] LISTERS WHERE ARE YOU?

Wed Feb 16 20:16:23 EAT 2011

Wamuyu,

I think you may be mistaken. At this stage we are not taking sides with any 
views or responding to all views. We may not even have the answers to everything 
you may ask. The purpose of such moderated discussions is to collate all views 
then they will be consolidated into one report which will be thrashed at a 
Stakeholders Forum. You would all be invited. It would not be right for me or 
even the Ministry to respond to every view. My role is to moderate and as such I 
must be impartial. I hope this encourages you to write as much as you like...and 
I am sure you will see your views captured in the report at the end. Of course 
if there is anyone on the list who would like to give their view on your queries 
they are very welcome to do so.

I hope this clarifies anyone who was waiting for a specific response.

Best Regards,

Catherine

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From: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyu at soko-id.co.ke>
To: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider at yahoo.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 10:27:02 AM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] LISTERS WHERE ARE YOU?

Hello Catherine,

We are interested but I note some people views have been dismissed or not 
responded to. For example, Mureithi raised important points on development vs 
regulation that are substantive. I also asked a question about which media 
regulatory body is referred to in the Constitution CCK or Media Council. 
Although these issues may be outside the discussion structure, you may want to 
pay attention to them as they are what is of initial concern to listers who have 
contributed - to enable them to engage further.

Thanks for leading the discussion!

Wamuyu
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Quoting Catherine Adeya <elizaslider at yahoo.com>:

> Listers,
> 
> You are way too quiet. This is a very important Bill and if we do not get
> adequate contributions, you cannot blame the Ministry if they take it forward
> with the contributions from very few voices. I know you are out there as I 
have
> seen you come out on many occasions. We move to Day 3 discussions and I
> sincerely hope and pray that I hear from more of you.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Nyaki
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mwololo Tim <timwololo at gmail.com>
> To: elizaslider at yahoo.com
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 4:47:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 2: The Establishment of Independent Commuincations
> Commission of Kenya
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I like (4).
> 
> I also like Siganga's change in (5). I would however change it further to 
read:
> 
> (5) The Commission must function without any interference from political,
> commercial or other partisan interests.
> 
> Regards
> 
> tim
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:09 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com> 
wrote:
> 
> "is independent of control by government, political or commercial interests;
>> In my mind this leaves a loophole by limiting the scope of those who can
>> interfere with independence to only 3 groups. How about, for example, civil
>> society groups or other groups that do not fit in the three. How about the
>> military, etc. I suggest there should be a "catch-all" in addition to the 3
>> groups so that the reading is like "is independent of control by government,
>> political, commercial or any other partisan interests;".
>> 
>> This also fits in with subsction 3(4) where the word "impartial" (derived 
from
>> "partisan") is introduced. In the same vein sub-section 3(5) should be 
>expanded
>> in scope. Strangely there is no consistency in this subsection because
>> "government" is missing and the scope is reduced to only political and
>> commercial. Subsection 3(5) scope should include government as well as the
>> catch-all.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Waudo
>> 
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:23 -0800, "Catherine Adeya" <elizaslider at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> We are on Day 2 of our discussions. Thank you for your thoughts on Day 1. It 
>>is
>>> evident that there are mixed reactions on the Object of the Bill. We will 
>>>ensure
>>> those responsible keep this in mind and find a suitable middle ground, if 
>any.
>>> Some feel that the Object is unnecessary and misleading. Others believe it 
is
>>> okay but what will be critical is the implementation.
>>> 
>>> So today flows from the issues on day one as Part II of the Bill begins 
with:
>>> SECTION 3: THE 'ESTABLISHMENT OF INDEPENDENT COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION OF
>>> KENYA' (Commission or ICCK hereafter, my addition):
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Key issues from this section are:
>>>  4) The Commission is independent, subject only to the Constitution and the
>>> law, and must be impartial and must perform its functions without fear, 
>favour
>>> or prejudice.
>>> 
>>> Question: Does this communicate to you?
>>> 5) The Commission must function without any political or commercial
>>> interference
>>> 
>>> Question: Again does this communicate effectively? Should the issue of 
>>politics
>>> be separated from the commercial one?Or can we do away with 5 as the issue
>>> should be well covered in 4?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope for a more vibrant discussion today as this bill is very critical.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> Nyaki
>>> 
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