[kictanet] - Preparing for Vision 2030 Discussion - ICT & Other sectors converging

Fri Dec 9 01:11:09 EAT 2011

Walu,

As you can see, we are eagerly awaiting.  Actually Grace says that  efforts
are underway

behind the scenes to get us started off and engage Mr. Kibati in earnest. Am
hopeful that

his 1 week stay as our distinguished guest will be extended, since it's
almost gone.

I remember you used to organize some "town hall" style consultative forums
sometimes 

back. Just wondering if such would be an ideal forum platform, especially
given the weighty

discussion at hand.

Again we look forward, as we await for the moderator to blow the whistle..

Harry

Nb: As you can also see, I have changed the subject for this thread, and for
a good reason.

From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
Behalf Of Walubengo J
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:59 AM
To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
Bashir-reality check

Dr. Ndemo,

+1 (I agree)

walu.
nb: by the way, where is this Mugo Kibati?  Did Yawe knock him out before
round 1?

--- On Wed, 12/7/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
Bashir-reality check
To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>,
kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 1:15 PM

Walubengo,
Here is what I think.

Technology can indeed help solve many of the problems that you refer to as
pure ranting. Problems are actually opportunities. Imagine if we create an
application that automatically sends an SMS to KPLC every time the power
goes off. Another application to read the meter and synchronize it with
billing such that the customer gets an alert before disconnection. Develop a
querry system to compare bills from the local area. Use geo-sensing to
determine consumption patterns.

This is how we can create efficiencies and create jobs. We can also clean
our environment by use of clean power. Our sewage in Kariobamngi is a good
source for biogas. We can use it too to water the Muthaiga Golf course. 

As I write this we are discussing how big data can impact policy. Our
foreign policy needs to come from evidence base, that is big data on trade,
environment, diplomacy. We need data to inform us the long term effect to
our national interests if we vary any of the variables stated. Big data
analytics is pure IT but formulation of relevant variables is politicking.

We cannot hide behind our inadequacies. What we need are volunteers to take
any debate here and relate it to IT and how technology can help solve the
problem. This is the basis of innovation. It is dangerous to avoid
confronting issues.

Steve Jobs died before making discoveries on technology and speech. Our
failure to critically this how technology can help reduce hate messages will
hurt us in the days to come. We are not even able to condemn bad content yet
we promote content as a driver of ICT growth.

Kictanet has just requested to have Mugo as guest discussant yet ICT is a
small aspect of the Vision. 

In my view you need a radical review of this noble initiative. Our
discussions must lead to some specific objective. We can use the forum to
spur innovation. Simple issues like cost of broadband, customer service and
other mundane issues will not impact on our desired future (that is if we
all understand it but I leave Mugo to articulate it). 

Have a wonderful day.

Ndemo.

Sent from my BlackBerryR

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From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> 

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 01:29:09 -0800 (PST)

To: <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke>;
<bitange at jambo.co.ke>

Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
Bashir-reality check

Dr. Ndemo, All

I agree it is a very thin line that we have to strive to balance on. ICT is
and should be cross cutting into socio-economic and political spheres. But
the way I see it is for the list is as follows:

1. Pure Politcs:
"Why its wrong for Kenya to Pacify Bashir": then followed by discussions for
and against the move to pacify Bashir. Many vibrant lists exist for this
type of conversations e.g http://www.mashada.com/

2. ICTs and Politics
"How Media is (mis?)leading the Masses in the Bashir Case": then followed by
discussions on how this could be propagated or curtailed using new
media?(FB, Twitter, etc). Obviously this is the "boring" option but it is
what KICTAnet is/was about ref:    http://www.kictanet.or.ke/

I could be wrong but option 2 is they way I have always viewed this list.
Another example.

1. Pure Ranting.
"No Fuel, No Electricity, No Water".  Again, many lists exists elsewhere to
ventilate on this. Indeed I have quite ventilated on this on my twitter
handle @jwalu. But have a look at point 2 below

2. ICTS and Fuel, Electricity, Water, -What ICT tools exists to prevent
persistent shortages in Fuel, Power, Water etc? Obviously this again is
probably the "boring" option but closer to the KICTAnet mission
http://www.kictanet.or.ke/

But that was the thinking 8yrs ago, maybe what Listers are saying is that
they want this to change and hey, I cannot stop that since it is about
democracy and what the majority want.  But I can remind you that this list
is both local and international and unless contributors seek to bring out
the ICT connection, quite a bit of Listers are likely to seek a way out.

walu.

--- On Wed, 12/7/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
Bashir-offtopic?
To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>,
kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 10:41 AM

Walubengo,
Yesterday we spent a great deal of time discussing how technology will
impact governance in the days a head.  We heard arguments from leading
social scientists, economists, politicians and journalists.

Then in my break I read your post on refocusing our discussions around IT
issues.  I have spent the night reflecting on this and now I am a bit
confused.  What do we mean when we say ICT is cross cutting?  What is
content in ICT terms?  Can we use ICT as a tool for development?  And what
is development?

Ndemo.

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