[kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry Bashir-reality check

Thu Dec 8 17:55:21 EAT 2011

Listers,

I concur that there is need to keep the discussions on ICT Related issues.
Keep the main thing, the main thing. A lot of the ranting, in my opinion,
is obnoxious. It sound more  like a whistle blowing forum from disgruntled
customers.

Etinick

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:

>   Dr. Ndemo,
>
> +1 (I agree)
>
> walu.
> nb: by the way, where is this Mugo Kibati?  Did Yawe knock him out before
> round 1?
>
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 12/7/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>* wrote:
>
>
> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
> Bashir-reality check
>
> To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>, kictanet-bounces+bitange=
> jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 1:15 PM
>
>
>  Walubengo,
> Here is what I think.
>
> Technology can indeed help solve many of the problems that you refer to as
> pure ranting. Problems are actually opportunities. Imagine if we create an
> application that automatically sends an SMS to KPLC every time the power
> goes off. Another application to read the meter and synchronize it with
> billing such that the customer gets an alert before disconnection. Develop
> a querry system to compare bills from the local area. Use geo-sensing to
> determine consumption patterns.
>
> This is how we can create efficiencies and create jobs. We can also clean
> our environment by use of clean power. Our sewage in Kariobamngi is a good
> source for biogas. We can use it too to water the Muthaiga Golf course.
>
> As I write this we are discussing how big data can impact policy. Our
> foreign policy needs to come from evidence base, that is big data on trade,
> environment, diplomacy. We need data to inform us the long term effect to
> our national interests if we vary any of the variables stated. Big data
> analytics is pure IT but formulation of relevant variables is politicking.
>
> We cannot hide behind our inadequacies. What we need are volunteers to
> take any debate here and relate it to IT and how technology can help solve
> the problem. This is the basis of innovation. It is dangerous to avoid
> confronting issues.
>
> Steve Jobs died before making discoveries on technology and speech. Our
> failure to critically this how technology can help reduce hate messages
> will hurt us in the days to come. We are not even able to condemn bad
> content yet we promote content as a driver of ICT growth.
>
> Kictanet has just requested to have Mugo as guest discussant yet ICT is a
> small aspect of the Vision.
>
> In my view you need a radical review of this noble initiative. Our
> discussions must lead to some specific objective. We can use the forum to
> spur innovation. Simple issues like cost of broadband, customer service and
> other mundane issues will not impact on our desired future (that is if we
> all understand it but I leave Mugo to articulate it).
>
> Have a wonderful day.
>
> Ndemo.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
> ------------------------------
> *From: *Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Wed, 7 Dec 2011 01:29:09 -0800 (PST)
> *To: *<kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke>; <
> bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying
> Angry Bashir-reality check
>
>   Dr. Ndemo, All
>
> I agree it is a very thin line that we have to strive to balance on. ICT
> is and should be cross cutting into socio-economic and political spheres.
> But the way I see it is for the list is as follows:
>
> 1. Pure Politcs:
> "Why its wrong for Kenya to Pacify Bashir": then followed by discussions
> for and against the move to pacify Bashir. Many vibrant lists exist for
> this type of conversations e.g http://www.mashada.com/
>
> 2. ICTs and Politics
> "How Media is (mis?)leading the Masses in the Bashir Case": then followed
> by discussions on how this could be propagated or curtailed using new
> media?(FB, Twitter, etc). Obviously this is the "boring" option but it is
> what KICTAnet is/was about ref:    http://www.kictanet.or.ke/
>
> I could be wrong but option 2 is they way I have always viewed this list.
> Another example.
>
> 1. Pure Ranting.
> "No Fuel, No Electricity, No Water".  Again, many lists exists elsewhere
> to ventilate on this. Indeed I have quite ventilated on this on my twitter
> handle @jwalu. But have a look at point 2 below
>
> 2. ICTS and Fuel, Electricity, Water, -What ICT tools exists to prevent
> persistent shortages in Fuel, Power, Water etc? Obviously this again is
> probably the "boring" option but closer to the KICTAnet mission
> http://www.kictanet.or.ke/
>
> But that was the thinking 8yrs ago, maybe what Listers are saying is that
> they want this to change and hey, I cannot stop that since it is about
> democracy and what the majority want.  But I can remind you that this list
> is both local and international and unless contributors seek to bring out
> the ICT connection, quite a bit of Listers are likely to seek a way out.
>
> walu.
>
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 12/7/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>* wrote:
>
>
> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
> Bashir-offtopic?
> To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>, kictanet-bounces+bitange=
> jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 10:41 AM
>
> Walubengo,
> Yesterday we spent a great deal of time discussing how technology will
> impact governance in the days a head.  We heard arguments from leading
> social scientists, economists, politicians and journalists.
>
> Then in my break I read your post on refocusing our discussions around IT
> issues.  I have spent the night reflecting on this and now I am a bit
> confused.  What do we mean when we say ICT is cross cutting?  What is
> content in ICT terms?  Can we use ICT as a tool for development?  And what
> is development?
>
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
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> Tue, 6 Dec 2011 07:23:49
> To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
>     Bashir-offtopic?
>
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