[kictanet] Possible Spam : RE: Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry Bashir-reality check

Wed Dec 7 16:26:50 EAT 2011

Walubengo,

Eight years down the line, if we are indeed carrying out a real reality
check, then it  would inform us that times are

changing just too fast, and we happen to be at a point that we may at best
call, a "cross-sector convergence" zone. 

The point am trying to make is, it would really be futile to talk and
discuss accelerated technology, such as Konza 

Technology centre, when such convergent subsectors - such as energy are
lagging behind, and dragging through 

mud.

Democracy, Governance, Multistakeholder policy formulation, liberalization
etc - These are not strange terms when

it comes to the wider ICT space that we right now enjoy. They are anchors
that create the enabling environment for

ICT to thrive. Otherwise I still pose, does anyone remember 9-10 yrs ago,
and how far we have come..?

Instead of hopping across to other mundane forums and back, I suppose the
best approach would be for listers

to be given every chance to air their opinion ( in a civil way) as ICT
stakeholders, who at the same time happen 

to be larger stakeholders in the rest of pretty much what goes on in the
nation and the world at large and seek to

provide tangible solutions - most notably, using ICT tools.

As times change fast, as they are doing now, let the forum never lose its
relevance.

Harry

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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
Bashir-reality check

Dr. Ndemo, All

I agree it is a very thin line that we have to strive to balance on. ICT is
and should be cross cutting into socio-economic and political spheres. But
the way I see it is for the list is as follows:

1. Pure Politcs:
"Why its wrong for Kenya to Pacify Bashir": then followed by discussions for
and against the move to pacify Bashir. Many vibrant lists exist for this
type of conversations e.g http://www.mashada.com/

2. ICTs and Politics
"How Media is (mis?)leading the Masses in the Bashir Case": then followed by
discussions on how this could be propagated or curtailed using new
media?(FB, Twitter, etc). Obviously this is the "boring" option but it is
what KICTAnet is/was about ref:    http://www.kictanet.or.ke/

I could be wrong but option 2 is they way I have always viewed this list.
Another example.

1. Pure Ranting.
"No Fuel, No Electricity, No Water".  Again, many lists exists elsewhere to
ventilate on this. Indeed I have quite ventilated on this on my twitter
handle @jwalu. But have a look at point 2 below

2. ICTS and Fuel, Electricity, Water, -What ICT tools exists to prevent
persistent shortages in Fuel, Power, Water etc? Obviously this again is
probably the "boring" option but closer to the KICTAnet mission
http://www.kictanet.or.ke/

But that was the thinking 8yrs ago, maybe what Listers are saying is that
they want this to change and hey, I cannot stop that since it is about
democracy and what the majority want.  But I can remind you that this list
is both local and international and unless contributors seek to bring out
the ICT connection, quite a bit of Listers are likely to seek a way out.

walu.

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From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
Bashir-offtopic?
To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>,
kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 10:41 AM

Walubengo,
Yesterday we spent a great deal of time discussing how technology will
impact governance in the days a head.  We heard arguments from leading
social scientists, economists, politicians and journalists.

Then in my break I read your post on refocusing our discussions around IT
issues.  I have spent the night reflecting on this and now I am a bit
confused.  What do we mean when we say ICT is cross cutting?  What is
content in ICT terms?  Can we use ICT as a tool for development?  And what
is development?

Ndemo.

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