[kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia

[S.Murigi Muraya]

Is taking of hostages / demanding ransoms legal in Kenya or by International
Laws we are bound to? Are these ransoms not "proceeds of crime"?

If pirates have confessed to investing in Nairobi / Kenyan real estate, what
is the debate about State identification and confiscation of the "Proceeds
of Crime"? Is it not Kenyan Law?


http://connecttheworld.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/10/somali-reveals-secret-life-as-a-pirate/

The "Proceeds of Crime and Anti Money Laundering 2009" Act will touch Kenyan
politicians who steal or fund violence to gain power in their constituencies
/ counties -- not just at the national level. Why would politicians being
INDIRECTLY funded by proceeds of crime support this law? It would disqualify
them from public office.

Actually, the 2010 Kenya Constitution already does that. So the need to
oppose ICT's that make it harder to hide corruption.


On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:07 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Harry,
>
> It is careless for PS Ndemo to propagate a xenophobic agenda, the fishermen
> along lake victory never feed the fish and yet they expect the fish to
> always be there for the picking.
>
> When someone invests in a trawler and takes the risk of going into the
> deeper waters we cry foul.
>
> When someone comes to the lake's show and pays fishermen 20% more than the
> local restaurant owner for the fish we cry foul.
>
> When an investor goes to Dubai and brings a large consignment of goods for
> which he enjoys bulk discounts and then extends the same to the local trader
> as opposed to the hand luggage stall owner who buys retail in Dubai we cry
> foul.
>
> When a group of investors pull together their resources to build a
> shopping mall in Eastleigh while bypassing the exploitative banking system
> we call them pirates and again cry foul. (On average a shopping mall in
> Eastleigh has over 1000 shareholders)
>
> When a faith decides that they will not have illicit drugs and alcohol sold
> in the vicinity of their places of worship and go ahead to rally resources
> to buy off such premises and convert them to other types of business we
> continue to cry foul.
>
> We need to stop blaming others for our inaction which is why we keep
> waiting for the international community to come and solve our issues for us
> when things get out of hand.  The case in hand is the famine that we are
> being told is rampant in the country yet the food aid could not get through
> because of floods.
>
> "I ask a none rhetorical question, how long does it take for a cow to die
> from lack of water?"
>
> Then suddenly we are all in tears setting up all kinds of funds whose
> largest contributors are those who could have prevented the famine in the
> first place such as the media who should have brought the issue to our
> attention before it become dear but we all know that would never happen
> because it would have no economic benefit.
>
> On the other extreme we have the mobile companies that have refused to
> provide network into those remote areas which would have made it possible to
> receive data on the prevailing conditions.
>
> Instead of shedding crocodile tears can we look for sustainable solutions,
> I constantly tell my fellow parishioners of the Christian faith that you
> give cash and also your talents.  It is a Cain tithe when a doctor gives
> cash just to go to his surgery later and refuse to carry out an operation on
> a patient who could not raise the full fee.
>
> The government will put up an irrigation scheme that will provide food
> security to over 14,000 families at a cost of Kes. 70 Million imagine what
> we could do with the Kes. 500 Million conscience fund if it was effectively
> utilised.
>
> Harry, none of the issues raised are as a result of Somalis (note that
> there are Kenyan Somalis) or any other immigrant community in the country it
> is all the work of we useless indigenous Kenyans with out "haki yetu"
> mentality which we have exported to Britain and the USA.
>
> Regards
>
> "Nili choka kuletewa maindi na mkebe kama kuku ya kufugwa"
> - A Turukana farmer on why he decided to irrigate his farm and stop
> depending on handouts
>
> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=turkana+drought+farming&aq=f
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
> *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> *Sent:* Mon, 15 August, 2011 19:07:47
> *Subject:* RE: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to
> PublicDemand-internet price?
>
> 
>
> Hey Robert,
>
> Perhaps, I could agree with the Ps in part on the need for us to look at
> what our National interests are in face
> of such challenges. I believe Governments, world over have in place
> measures that are legal, and that would
> automatically trigger a set of checks and balances to ensure that certain
> socio-economic and political
> equillibrium is maintained. Some of these measures would be in form of
> incentives to promote locally driven
> enterprise & and also touch land/property ownership policies.
>
> It would really be foolhardy, for us to close our eyes to this.
>
> Some of these measures, I do agree with you need not be varbalized, but
> however world over, Governments
> have what we call the "Unspoken Govt policies" to safeguard national
> interests. Of course we need to balance
> this with foreign investment.
>
> Regards,
> Harry
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto:
> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of
> *robert yawe
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2011 6:02 PM
> *To:* harry at comtelsys.co.ke
> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to
> PublicDemand-internet price?
>
>   Daktari,
>
> I would like to disagree with your proposed approach to dealing with the
> East African migration that currently seems to be dominated by relatives
> from Somalia.
>
> Your response is a clear sign of Xenophobia like was experienced in South
> Africa against the Zimbabweans and Kenyans.  The holocaust was also
> precipitated by the continuous verbalising of such sentiments.
>
> We all know that nature abhors a vacuum, we have created a vacuum in the
> business environment which has quickly been filled by mother nature.  As a
> nation we have refused to become professional business people we still look
> down at those who use the term to describe themselves as we are mainly
> trained to be clerks which explains the large number of us returning to
> college to do masters in business administration.
>
> Since all of us want to become administrators someone needs to create the
> businesses for us to administer, initially it was the Asian and now it is
> the Somalis.  The post election violence for a result of such sentiments
> that a certain ethnic group was taking over a certain region.
>
> Let us stop blaming the Somalis for our lack of skills or will to innovate
> and instead move forward to develop the attitude that will reward the free
> thinker over the structured imitator.
>
> I believe that as a presidential candidate you need to realise that we are
> not an island and for our citizens to flourish in the other East African
> countries we must learn to accommodate our neighbours when they are here.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> *Sent:* Sun, 14 August, 2011 20:35:06
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public
> Demand-internet price?
>
> William,
> Today after a game of Tennis, I decided to hang out in the sauna for a
> while.  I was delighted to see a colleague from University of Nairobi and
> a prominent professor of Biochemistry.  There were other three club
> members.  The professor narrated how for the first time in his life time
> while in Kisumu he had to settle for cat fish and ugali for his lunch on
> Saturday.  There is no Tilapia he said.  An Asian businessman originally
> from Kisumu who sat next to me indeed confirmed that all the fish business
> is the hands of Somali community which seems to have struck some gold mine
> in fish.  He said noted “real estateb in all major towns is now in their
> hands too”.
>
> The talk drifted into what such enormous resource could do to the country
> if the resource were to be used to buy our gullible politicians.  You
> could sense the helplessness in the small steamy cubicle.  Although others
> felt that there was a plan being executed by one community to dominate the
> economy in all major towns of Kenya, I had to warn them that such talk can
> be dangerous and amount to discrimination against another community.  I
> bring these discussions here because there are murmurs all over on the
> Somali Community spending on property without clear sources of the funds.
> Until we discuss this matter with open mind, it is disaster we are
> courting.
>
> We are indeed faced with very difficult decisions in this country.  There
> is need to get to the bottom of this matter since we know it will be a
> problem in future if we do not address it now.  A large number of Somali
> have migrated to Kenya.  In other countries such an influx is monitored
> closely even when there is no threat to state security.  I remember in
> 1983 the Kenyan community in Minnesota numbered about fifteen.  By 1987,
> the community had grown to about 1,000 and eating a lot of corn meal to
> the extent that it became a major story in US media.  Local ABC news
> reported new immigrant community that has wiped out all the corn meal in
> the Twin Cities area.  We have no account of the characteristics of our
> new immigrants.
>
>
> This is where ICTs begins to help us manage the development of our people.
> At every entry, we must take electronic finger prints of every person
> getting into the country.  We must also get a tamper prove ID.  This can
> be done along the lines of the Public Key Infrastructure.  We must begin
> to release land registration records on to the open data platform.  This
> will indeed help trace ill gotten properties that in many ways compromise
> the ability of local people in affording such properties.
>
> Good leadership is a product of informed citizens and embracing a
> participatory approach.  This is how we can move forward together.
>
> Keep hope alive.  One Kenya.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Ndemo
>
>
>
>
> > Daktari,
> >
> >
> > Your story about the trip, environment and lack of planning is truly
> > reflective of the sad situation we find ourselves in. There is also the
> > nostalgia you and the pilot shared over the desecration of the
> > environment. Thanks for jogging memories on certain key facts about the
> > changing environmental conditions.
> >
> > Janak
> >
> > --- On Sat, 8/13/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
> >
> > From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public
> > Demand-internet price?
> > To: williamjanak at yahoo.com
> > Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 4:57 PM
> >
> > Walubengo,
> > You can dig for your answer in my write up below.
> >
> > This week I had an opportunity to fly to Laikipia for a lunch meeting
> with
> > investors who wanted to kill two birds with one stone by having a Safari
> > and discuss business at the same time.  They paid the bill.  The one
> > hour
> > flight to and from Laikipia got my head spinning.  The pilot has been
> > flying here for more than thirty years and has seen many physical changes
> > in Central, Eastern and Rift Valley.  I pestered him with many
> questions.
> >
> > At some point he told me that all the rivers that flow through Central
> > Kenya had crystal clear water in the 7o's and 80's but as farmers
> > encroached on riparian land, soil erosion crept in and now they are all
> > red dragging the best of soils into the Indian Ocean.  In spite of
> > several
> > Departments of Geography in our Universities there are little or no
> > studies on the long term effects of what is happening to our ecosystem.
> > We study both human and physical geography not to apply the knowledge but
> > as a means to get papers for employment.
> >
> > A quick research will tell you that we are not only food insecure but
> also
> > water insecure.   Although Kenya’s water per capita in cubic meters
> > at 647
> > is above world average 360, we do not compare well with other progressive
> > countries such as India at 1,911 and China at 2,840.  We were better at
> > independence since we had many dams built by the British but are now
> > non-existent.  People planted Ndumas in most of the dams.  We must now
> > admit we did not know the impact and still we do not know until our
> > academics get down to work on research.
> >
> > Soil erosion means we are also eroding the most arable land in the
> > country.  Per capita arable land in Kenya measures only .14 hectare per
> > person.  Here we fall below the world average of .21 hectare per person.
> > The statistic implies the world must manage this resource better in order
> > to feed everybody.  The British had started this policy on African
> > reserves sort of rural urbanization.  We rightly shunned it but without
> > studies to look into our future.  We must re-introduce this with a
> better
> > name and better housing with all utilities.  My research findings on
> such
> > housing will cost about Ksh. 200,000 per unit of three bedrooms.  In
> > other
> > words we can construct 340,000 households from the Goldenberg loot if we
> > were to recover it.  This will translate to all of Northern Kenya from
> > Kacheliba to Wajir.
> >
> > We have about 6 million households in Kenya of which 3 million can afford
> > to pay for such a house or better.  The Government can indeed manage to
> > build for the remainder through improved tax collections (we pay about
> 40%
> > of the potential income tax and about 20% of the potential local
> authority
> > taxes such as rates).  Of course there will be other savings from health
> > budget that goes into opportunistic diseases that we can eliminate from
> > the face of Kenya.  These include water borne diseases.  Typhoid alone
> > costs Kenya billions that need to be used to improve the livelihood of
> our
> > people and meet the constitutional demands.
> >
> > Therefore, the question on Lake Victoria water will not arise if we
> dammed
> > all the waters that flow into the lake and elsewhere.  As for affordable
> > prices for broadband, I have no doubts that we shall meet this even
> before
> > the end of this year.  The shared infrastructure negotiations are going
> > on
> > smoothly.  In a few weeks time we should move forward with the LTE open
> > access program.  If we all understand the open access principle where
> big
> > and small will use the infrastructure at same access cost.  More agile
> > companies will indeed provide very competitive pricing.  As we move the
> > Government more online, the more the number of internet users meaning we
> > shall reach the critical mass much faster.  With the critical mass and
> > many providers, the price can only go downwards.
> >
> > The biggest problem and one asked by Monda is the question of vested
> > interests.  I know some sectors have a real problem with this issue and
> > negatively impacts on our economic growth.  In our sector we have been
> > lucky in the sense that much of what we do is new and the rapid
> > technological changes discourage power brokers who may entrench
> themselves
> > to build strong vested interest.  This is not to say that we are not
> > often
> > asked to do things differently.  Our savior is going to be open
> > government
> > and in this I pray that every Kenyan understands this concept because it
> > has a way of not only dealing with vested interest but also impunity in a
> > way.  If I had time I could delve into this more.  To date I do not
> > think
> > even media has understood this powerful tool.
> >
> > Back to my flight.  Coming back I found myself humming Jim Reeves’
> song
> > “we thank thee each morning for a new born day ….. we thank thee for
> > the
> > sunshine and air we breathe, for the rivers that run, for the birds that
> > sing, for the eyes to see this things…unfortunately we may not hear the
> > birds sing since from above you can see that we have eliminated their
> > habitat – percent of total land area in Kenya covered by forest is 2%
> > compared to world average of 31%.  We may not see the rivers as they
> were
> > before since all our soils are polluting the what remains of rivers as
> > eucalyptus has swallowed much of the water and wetlands.
> >
> > Hovering over many towns across the land you get hurt by what you see.
> > Although there are planners in all local authorities you see a cry of
> > unplanned structures with visible problems of managing solid waste.  You
> > simply see chaos in a country with literacy levels approaching 90%.Â
> What
> > you see are the sources of many diseases and problems such as the jigger
> > menace in some parts of the country.   I grew up fairly poor but we
> did
> > not have this level of disorganization.  At least health officers did
> > something to prevent many diseases.  I saw dirty butcheries and
> > restaurants closed by health officers.  There was a semblance of planned
> > dukas.  Where the madness of unplanningness came from I do not know but
> > this is one of the things “candidate� Ndemo will deal with.
> >
> > In conclusion, we must make very tough decisions if we want a better
> > future.  I know the new constitution has brought all sorts of rights but
> > it is all nonsense if we undermine the future with unplanned population,
> > unplanned urban centers, unplanned future, etc.   There must be no
> > rights
> > without responsibility.
> >
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Bw PS,
> >>
> >> nice insights you have below.  Mine is simply to ask what your
> >> thoughts
> >> are, in terms of making consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost
> >> of
> >> bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB
> >> (over
> >> satellite) but now it has dropped below  500USD per MB.  Basically
> >> it
> >> has dropped by 10 times - HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of
> >> accessing internet is still 1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it
> >> was
> >> during the satellite days.
> >>
> >> Mobile data internet which is the more common form of access is not any
> >> cheaper either.  There's has been NO  drop per-se, just marketing
> >> gimmicks of increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH)
> >> price.
> >> It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel, but since
> >> there
> >> has been good rains/harvest, for the same 2,500/= you are free to eat
> >> ALL
> >> you want...sounds good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/=
> >> lunch bracket in the first place - who unfortunately are not
> >> many....particularly in an economy whose average monthly income is
> >> around
> >> 8,000sh.
> >>
> >> So how do you intend to tackle the internet price problem when you get
> >> to
> >> be President?
> >>
> >> walu.
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 8/12/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public
> >> Demand
> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> >> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> >> Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM
> >>
> >> Harry,
> >> Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the moment.  The
> >> difference is how you handle the situation.  In Britain the Prime
> >> Minister
> >> thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on at
> >> home but he was forced to dash home.  Before I respond to how we take
> >> care
> >> of our crisis, I felt there is a patriotism lesson that we need to learn
> >> from Britain.
> >>
> >> The first reports we got in our News papers here and even in electronic
> >> media, there was no cause of the crisis in Britain.  It was simply
> >> reported that London is burning.  Some of our best media houses with
> >> so
> >> many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when, why,
> >> etc.
> >>  This would have helped us understand.  This is because the British
> >> Media
> >> (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their
> >> country’s
> >> interests first and everything else is secondary.  Does our Media
> >> have
> >> what they call Kenyan or African interests?  If they did, they would
> >> have
> >> raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora.  We shall be
> >> more
> >> respected if we had the interest of those in the Diaspora at heart be
> >> they
> >> from Bahamas or Nigeria.
> >>
> >> How do we respond to our crisis?  This should not be a government
> >> project.
> >>Â  The entire society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings
> >> because this where our problems start and will open up greater
> >> opportunity
> >> and sustained harmony for all humanity.  In other countries they make
> >> an
> >> effort to socially integrate all citizens of different economic classes.
> >> Let me elaborate.  In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found
> >> drinking
> >> with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and sometimes you
> >> find they are neighbours.  It is not common you find a woman with an
> >> undergraduate degree married to a plumber for example.  We have
> >> defined
> >> classes that we try everything to belong to.  We do not have good
> >> plumbers, mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand
> >> s
> >> looking for white collar jobs.
> >>
> >> I am sure most of you have watched Cheers.  The artists in the bar
> >> are a
> >> postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a common
> >> goal.  Where no one thinks or feels they know more than the
> >> other.  This
> >> is the begging of building a harmonious society that no one feels left
> >> out.  The rift we have created just needs a small thing like shooting
> >> a
> >> drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose.  We must not
> >> forget
> >> that this happened in China in 1949 when the Maoists took over.  They
> >> literary killed anybody who seemed to be from upper class.  Land
> >> reform
> >> was the major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural
> >> population, around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former
> >> landlords were confiscated by the government and subsequently
> >> redistributed to the lower-class peasants.  Do not forget the French
> >> revolution.
> >>
> >> Discrimination in any form should be shunned.  This is because it is
> >> the
> >> basis of all problems be it class or tribalism.    Three of my
> >> close
> >> friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried to
> >> explain.ÂÂ
> >> Mr.
> >> X got six and eighteen points at O and A levels respectively.  At
> >> university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and
> >> joined
> >> the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA.  Mr. Y had division II and
> >> could
> >> not afford high school but went to Kenya Science Teachers to become a
> >> teacher.  Mr. Z also passed his O levels with Division III and joined
> >> Barclays Bank as a Clerical officer.  They have struggled in their
> >> own
> >> ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest.  Any time I am with
> >> X, he
> >> complains why I should even have time for Y and Z.  Y by the way has
> >> struggled for many years and he will soon get his PhD.  According to
> >> X
> >> these are not our class of people.  He loathes Z as one who failed
> >> and
> >> now
> >> possibly has earned his wealth through corrupt means.  In spite of
> >> the
> >> fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he belongs
> >> to
> >> a different class and hangs around some of the “successful�
> >> people.
> >> Although I have never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads
> >> them to discriminate X from some events.  At some point we were four
> >> young
> >> lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because of
> >> differences in the way we led our lives after high school.  I hear
> >> and
> >> see
> >> this kind of stories often and make me feel bad about class division in
> >> our country.
> >>
> >> I have had the privilege of deciding who my assistants should be but not
> >> once have I ever picked someone because we spoke the same vernacular
> >> language.  My current office is a living example and after leading by
> >> example, all of my senior officers followed suit.  This is how we
> >> should
> >> begin to tackle the problem of tribalism.  We also must ensure
> >> equitable
> >> distribution of resources and start connecting all the counties with
> >> roads, energy, water, schools and hospitals.  We have already
> >> connected
> >> fibre optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the
> >> pockets that exist.  Even with difficult times we have managed to
> >> balance
> >> infrastructure development to all parts of the country.  We shall
> >> continue
> >> with similar strategies.
> >>
> >> To achieve my objectives, I take you back to building sustained regional
> >> influence and develop the HUB concept in everything here in Kenya.
> >> Transportation, ICT, Industrialization, and practically everything Hub.
> >> Of course some of our neighbours will feel jealous.   This is
> >> what we
> >> need
> >> in a sustained way because it will help galvanize Kenyans against some
> >> external “aggressor�.  President Museveni used this
> >> effectively to
> >> get
> >> Ugandans behind him when he claimed Migingo as a strategy to get
> >> re-elected.  Let us do good to the entire East Africa by building the
> >> rail
> >> up to Goma, Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi.ÂÂ
> >> We
> >> must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap to
> >> access
> >> it to all rail destinations.  Develop capacity to serve the entire
> >> world
> >> back offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on our
> >> agriculture.  Let me not disclose the entire strategy.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >>
> >> Ndemo.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Bw Ps,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your articulative responses... Indeed looking at events
> >>> cutting
> >>> across the globe
> >>> now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar socio-economic
> >>> challenges. Bottom
> >>> line, is how do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this
> >>> is
> >>> what makes the
> >>> huge difference between moving forward purposefully to achieve progress
> >>> and
> >>> backpeddling on
> >>> the other hand.
> >>>
> >>> We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place to
> >>> ensure
> >>> a balanced
> >>> infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of the
> >>> concentration right
> >>> now is around the Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest
> >>> of
> >>> the country.
> >>> How about dealing with the great tribalism "monster".
> >>>
> >>> 3rdly, what strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream
> >>> you
> >>> have.
> >>>
> >>> Harry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> >>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> On
> >>> Behalf Of bitange at jambo.co.ke
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:32 PM
> >>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
> >>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public
> >>> Demand
> >>>
> >>> Grace,
> >>> Thank you for extending the debate to Monday.  I hope I get time to
> >>> articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next
> >>> few
> >>> years.  Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing
> >>> with
> >>> our
> >>> social development.  I went ahead and gave examples from the US and
> >>> UK.
> >>> Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to
> >>> pass.
> >>> Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.
> >>>
> >>> Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead.  It
> >>> is
> >>> a
> >>> sacrifice one makes.  In this respect, I will seek for advisors who
> >>> have
> >>> demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication.  We
> >>> have
> >>> these
> >>> people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The
> >>> constitution
> >>> has
> >>> accorded us the opportunity to search for such people.
> >>> If you read today's front page Standard, it has the requirement for
> >>> those
> >>> who want to join the electoral commission.  If we follow the
> >>> requirement
> >>> to
> >>> the letter, we shall get credible people.  It is this process that
> >>> lacked
> >>> before and political operatives took charge in many posts within
> >>> government.
> >>>
> >>> Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered
> >>> under Societies Act.  It is in the interest of the public that these
> >>> organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are tax
> >>> exempt.  Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their
> >>> activities.  Further the state has a responsibility to protect its
> >>> citizens
> >>> from being taken advantage of.  We cannot burry our heads in the
> >>> sand
> >>> on
> >>> this issue no matter how sensitive it is.  We shall also be
> >>> implementing
> >>> our
> >>> constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ndemo.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Listers
> >>>>
> >>>> We have received requests  (offline) that we allow "Candidate"
> >>>> Ndemo
> >>>> more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been
> >>>> extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.
> >>>>
> >>>> And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of
> >>>> advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear
> >>>> you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and
> >>>> the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington
> >>>> DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners
> >>>> once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open
> >>>> to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On
> >>>> a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the
> >>>> 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Listers, let the debate continue.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rgds
> >>>> GG
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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