Is taking of hostages / demanding ransoms legal in Kenya or by International Laws we are bound to? Are these ransoms not "proceeds of crime"?<br><br>If pirates have confessed to investing in Nairobi / Kenyan real estate,
what is the debate about State identification and confiscation of the "Proceeds of Crime"?
Is it not Kenyan Law?<br><br> <a href="http://connecttheworld.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/10/somali-reveals-secret-life-as-a-pirate/" target="_blank">http://connecttheworld.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/10/somali-reveals-secret-life-as-a-pirate/</a><br>
<br>The "Proceeds of Crime and Anti Money Laundering 2009" Act will touch Kenyan politicians who steal or fund violence to gain power in their constituencies / counties -- not just at the national level. Why would politicians being INDIRECTLY funded by proceeds of crime support this law? It would disqualify them from public office.<br>
<br>Actually, the 2010 Kenya Constitution already does that. So the need to oppose ICT's that make it harder to hide corruption.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:07 AM, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
</div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">Hi Harry,</div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
<br></div><div style="color:black"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:medium"><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">It is careless for PS Ndemo to propagate a xenophobic agenda, the fishermen along lake victory never feed the fish and yet they expect the fish to always be there for the picking. </font></div>
<div><font face="'times
new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">When someone invests in a trawler and takes the risk of going into the deeper waters we cry foul. </font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">When someone comes to the lake's show and pays fishermen 20% more than the local restaurant owner for the fish we cry foul. </font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">When an investor goes to Dubai and brings a large consignment of goods for which he enjoys bulk discounts and then extends the
same to the local trader as opposed to the hand luggage stall owner who buys retail in Dubai we cry foul.</font></div></span><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><div style="color:black">
<font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><br></font></div>When a group of investors pull together their resources </font><span style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">to build a shopping mall in Eastleigh while bypassing the exploitative banking system we call them pirates and again cry foul. (On average a shopping mall in Eastleigh has over 1000 shareholders)</span><span style="font-size:medium"><div>
<font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><br></font></div></span><span style="font-size:medium"><div style="font-family:'Times New Roman'"><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">When a faith decides that they will not have illicit drugs and alcohol sold in the vicinity of their places of worship and go ahead to rally resources to buy off such premises and convert them to other types of business we continue to cry foul.</font></div>
</span></div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
We need to stop blaming others for our inaction which is why we keep waiting for the international community to come and solve our issues for us when things get out of hand. The case in hand is the famine that we are being told is rampant in the country yet the food aid could not get through because of floods.</div>
<div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
"I ask a none rhetorical question, how long does it take for a cow to die from lack of water?"</div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
<br></div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">Then suddenly we are all in tears setting up all kinds of funds whose largest contributors are those who could have prevented the famine in the first place such as the media who should have brought the issue to our attention before it become dear but we all know that would never happen because it would have no economic benefit.</div>
<div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
On the other extreme we have the mobile companies that have refused to provide network into those remote areas which would have made it possible to receive data on the prevailing conditions. </div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
<br></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Instead of shedding crocodile tears can we look for sustainable solutions, I constantly tell my fellow </font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">parishioners</font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"> of the Christian faith that you give cash and also your talents. It is a Cain tithe when a doctor gives cash just to go to his surgery later and refuse to carry
out an operation on a patient who could not raise the full fee.</font></div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
The government will put up an irrigation scheme that will provide food security to over 14,000 families at a cost of Kes. 70 Million imagine what we could do with the Kes. 500 Million conscience fund if it was effectively utilised.</div>
<div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Harry, none of the issues raised are as a result of Somalis (note that there are Kenyan Somalis) or any other immigrant community in the country it is all the work of we useless </font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">indigenous Kenyans</font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"> with out "haki yetu" mentality which we have exported to Britain and the USA.</font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">Regards</font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"><br>
</font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">"Nili choka kuletewa maindi na mkebe kama kuku ya kufugwa" </font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">- A Turukana farmer on why he decided to irrigate his farm and stop depending on
handouts</font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=turkana+drought+farming&aq=f" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=turkana+drought+farming&aq=f</a></font></div>
<div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"> </div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Robert Yawe</font><br>
<font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">KAY System Technologies Ltd</font><br><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Phoenix House, 6th Floor</font><br>
<font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times,
serif" size="3">P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200</font><br><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Kenya</font><br><br><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<div><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Harry Delano <<a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Mon, 15 August, 2011 19:07:47<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [kictanet] Bitange
for President? Extended due to PublicDemand-internet price?<br></font><br>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Hey Robert,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Perhaps, I could agree with the Ps in part on the need for us
to look at what our National interests are in face </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">of </font></span><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">such challenges. I believe Governments, world
over have in place measures that are legal, and that would</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">automatically trigger a set of checks and balances to ensure
that certain socio-economic and political </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">equillibrium is maintained. Some of these measures would be in
form of incentives to promote locally driven</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">enterprise & and also touch land/property ownership
policies.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">It would really be foolhardy, for us to close our eyes to
this.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Some of these measures, I do agree with you need not be
varbalized, but however world over, Governments</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">have what we call the "Unspoken Govt policies" to safeguard
national interests. Of course we need to balance</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">this with foreign investment.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Regards,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Harry</font></span></div><br>
<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us">
<hr>
<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b>
kictanet-bounces+harry=<a href="mailto:comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+harry</a>=<a href="mailto:comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>robert yawe<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 15, 2011 6:02
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a><br><b>Cc:</b>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Bitange for
President? Extended due to PublicDemand-internet price?<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>
<div style="font-family:times, serif;font-size:12pt">
<div style="font-family:times, serif;color:black;font-size:12pt"></div>
<div style="font-family:times, serif;color:black;font-size:12pt">Daktari,</div>
<div style="font-family:times, serif;color:black;font-size:12pt"><br></div>
<div style="font-family:times, serif;color:black;font-size:12pt">I
would like to disagree with your proposed approach to dealing with the East
African migration that currently seems to be dominated by relatives from
Somalia.</div>
<div style="font-family:times, serif;color:black;font-size:12pt"><br></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times,
serif" size="3">Your response is a
clear sign of </font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">Xenophobia like was
experienced in South Africa against the Zimbabweans and Kenyans.
The holocaust was also precipitated by the continuous
verbalising of such sentiments. </font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">We all know that nature
abhors a vacuum, we have created a vacuum in the business environment which has
quickly been filled by mother nature. As a nation we have refused to
become professional business people we still look down at those who use the term
to describe</font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"> themselves as we are
mainly trained to be clerks which explains the large number of us returning to
college to do masters in business administration.</font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">Since all of us want to
become administrators someone needs to create the businesses for us to
administer, initially it was the Asian and now it is the Somalis. The post
election violence for a result of such sentiments that a certain ethnic group
was taking over a certain region.<br></font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Let us stop blaming the
Somalis for our lack of skills or will to innovate and instead move forward to
develop the attitude that will reward the free thinker over the
structured imitator. </font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">I believe that as a
presidential candidate you need to realise that we are not an island and for our
citizens to flourish in the other East African countries we must learn
to accommodate our neighbours when they are here.</font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">Regards</font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"></font> </div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Robert Yawe</font><br><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">KAY System Technologies
Ltd</font><br><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Phoenix House, 6th
Floor</font><br><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">P O Box 55806 Nairobi,
00200</font><br><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Kenya</font><br><br>
<div style="font-family:times, serif;color:black;font-size:12pt">Tel:
+254722511225, +254202010696
<div><br></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>"
<<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sun, 14 August, 2011
20:35:06<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public Demand-internet
price?<br></font><br>William,<br>Today after a game of Tennis, I decided to hang
out in the sauna for a<br>while. I was delighted to see a colleague from
University of Nairobi and<br>a prominent professor of Biochemistry. There
were other three club<br>members. The professor narrated how for the first
time in his life time<br>while in Kisumu he had to settle for cat fish and ugali
for his lunch on<br>Saturday. There is no Tilapia he said. An Asian
businessman originally<br>from Kisumu who sat next to me indeed confirmed that
all the fish business<br>is the hands of Somali community which seems to have
struck some gold mine<br>in fish. He said noted “real estateb in all major
towns is now in their<br>hands too”.<br><br>The talk drifted into what such
enormous resource could do to the country<br>if the resource were to be used to
buy our gullible politicians. You<br>could sense the helplessness in the
small steamy cubicle. Although others<br>felt that there was a plan being
executed by one community to dominate the<br>economy in all major towns of
Kenya, I had to warn them that such talk can<br>be dangerous and amount to
discrimination against another community. I<br>bring these discussions
here because there are murmurs all over on the<br>Somali Community spending on
property without clear sources of the funds. <br>Until we discuss this matter
with open mind, it is disaster we are<br>courting.<br><br>We are indeed faced
with very difficult decisions in this country. There<br>is need to get to
the bottom of this matter since we know it will be a<br>problem in future if we
do not address it now. A large number of Somali<br>have migrated to
Kenya. In other countries such an influx is monitored<br>closely even when
there is no threat to state security. I remember in<br>1983 the Kenyan
community in Minnesota numbered about fifteen. By 1987,<br>the community
had grown to about 1,000 and eating a lot of corn meal to<br>the extent that it
became a major story in US media. Local ABC news<br>reported new immigrant
community that has wiped out all the corn meal in<br>the Twin Cities area.
We have no account of the characteristics of our<br>new
immigrants.<br><br><br>This is where ICTs begins to help us manage the
development of our people.<br>At every entry, we must take electronic finger
prints of every person<br>getting into the country. We must also get a
tamper prove ID. This can<br>be done along the lines of the Public Key
Infrastructure. We must begin<br>to release land registration records on
to the open data platform. This<br>will indeed help trace ill gotten
properties that in many ways compromise<br>the ability of local people in
affording such properties.<br><br>Good leadership is a product of informed
citizens and embracing a<br>participatory approach. This is how we can
move forward together.<br><br>Keep hope alive. One
Kenya.<br><br><br>Regards<br><br><br>Ndemo<br><br><br><br><br>>
Daktari,<br>><br>><br>> Your story about the trip, environment and lack
of planning is truly<br>> reflective of the sad situation we find ourselves
in. There is also the<br>> nostalgia you and the pilot shared over the
desecration of the<br>> environment. Thanks for jogging memories on certain
key facts about the<br>> changing environmental conditions.<br>><br>>
Janak<br>><br>> --- On Sat, 8/13/11, <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>>
wrote:<br>><br>> From: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>
>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public<br>>
Demand-internet price?<br>> To: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:williamjanak@yahoo.com" target="_blank">williamjanak@yahoo.com</a><br>> Cc:
<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 4:57 PM<br>><br>> Walubengo,<br>> You
can dig for your answer in my write up below.<br>><br>> This week I had an
opportunity to fly to Laikipia for a lunch meeting with<br>> investors who
wanted to kill two birds with one stone by having a Safari<br>> and discuss
business at the same time. They paid the bill. The one<br>>
hour<br>> flight to and from Laikipia got my head spinning. The pilot
has been<br>> flying here for more than thirty years and has seen many
physical changes<br>> in Central, Eastern and Rift Valley. I pestered
him with many questions.<br>><br>> At some point he told me that all the
rivers that flow through Central<br>> Kenya had crystal clear water in the
7o's and 80's but as farmers<br>> encroached on riparian land, soil erosion
crept in and now they are all<br>> red dragging the best of soils into the
Indian Ocean. In spite of<br>> several<br>> Departments of
Geography in our Universities there are little or no<br>> studies on the long
term effects of what is happening to our ecosystem.<br>> We study both human
and physical geography not to apply the knowledge but<br>> as a means to get
papers for employment.<br>><br>> A quick research will tell you that we
are not only food insecure but also<br>> water
insecure.   Although Kenya’s water per capita in cubic
meters<br>> at 647<br>> is above world average 360, we do not compare well
with other progressive<br>> countries such as India at 1,911 and China at
2,840. We were better at<br>> independence since we had many dams
built by the British but are now<br>> non-existent. People planted
Ndumas in most of the dams. We must now<br>> admit we did not know the
impact and still we do not know until our<br>> academics get down to work on
research.<br>><br>> Soil erosion means we are also eroding the most arable
land in the<br>> country. Per capita arable land in Kenya measures
only .14 hectare per<br>> person. Here we fall below the world average
of .21 hectare per person.<br>> The statistic implies the world must manage
this resource better in order<br>> to feed everybody. The British had
started this policy on African<br>> reserves sort of rural
urbanization. We rightly shunned it but without<br>> studies to look
into our future. We must re-introduce this with a better<br>> name and
better housing with all utilities. My research findings on such<br>>
housing will cost about Ksh. 200,000 per unit of three bedrooms.Â
In<br>> other<br>> words we can construct 340,000 households from the
Goldenberg loot if we<br>> were to recover it. This will translate to
all of Northern Kenya from<br>> Kacheliba to Wajir.<br>><br>> We have
about 6 million households in Kenya of which 3 million can afford<br>> to pay
for such a house or better. The Government can indeed manage to<br>>
build for the remainder through improved tax collections (we pay about
40%<br>> of the potential income tax and about 20% of the potential local
authority<br>> taxes such as rates). Of course there will be other
savings from health<br>> budget that goes into opportunistic diseases that we
can eliminate from<br>> the face of Kenya. These include water borne
diseases. Typhoid alone<br>> costs Kenya billions that need to be used
to improve the livelihood of our<br>> people and meet the constitutional
demands.<br>><br>> Therefore, the question on Lake Victoria water will not
arise if we dammed<br>> all the waters that flow into the lake and
elsewhere. As for affordable<br>> prices for broadband, I have no
doubts that we shall meet this even before<br>> the end of this year.Â
The shared infrastructure negotiations are going<br>> on<br>>
smoothly. In a few weeks time we should move forward with the LTE
open<br>> access program. If we all understand the open access
principle where big<br>> and small will use the infrastructure at same access
cost. More agile<br>> companies will indeed provide very competitive
pricing. As we move the<br>> Government more online, the more the
number of internet users meaning we<br>> shall reach the critical mass much
faster. With the critical mass and<br>> many providers, the price can
only go downwards.<br>><br>> The biggest problem and one asked by Monda is
the question of vested<br>> interests. I know some sectors have a real
problem with this issue and<br>> negatively impacts on our economic
growth. In our sector we have been<br>> lucky in the sense that much
of what we do is new and the rapid<br>> technological changes discourage
power brokers who may entrench themselves<br>> to build strong vested
interest. This is not to say that we are not<br>> often<br>> asked
to do things differently. Our savior is going to be open<br>>
government<br>> and in this I pray that every Kenyan understands this concept
because it<br>> has a way of not only dealing with vested interest but also
impunity in a<br>> way. If I had time I could delve into this
more. To date I do not<br>> think<br>> even media has understood
this powerful tool.<br>><br>> Back to my flight. Coming back I
found myself humming Jim Reeves’ song<br>> “we thank thee each morning
for a new born day ….. we thank thee for<br>> the<br>> sunshine and air
we breathe, for the rivers that run, for the birds that<br>> sing, for the
eyes to see this things…unfortunately we may not hear the<br>> birds sing
since from above you can see that we have eliminated their<br>> habitat –
percent of total land area in Kenya covered by forest is 2%<br>> compared to
world average of 31%. We may not see the rivers as they were<br>>
before since all our soils are polluting the what remains of rivers as<br>>
eucalyptus has swallowed much of the water and wetlands.<br>><br>>
Hovering over many towns across the land you get hurt by what you see.<br>>
Although there are planners in all local authorities you see a cry of<br>>
unplanned structures with visible problems of managing solid waste.Â
You<br>> simply see chaos in a country with literacy levels approaching
90%. What<br>> you see are the sources of many diseases and problems
such as the jigger<br>> menace in some parts of the
country.   I grew up fairly poor but we did<br>> not have
this level of disorganization. At least health officers did<br>>
something to prevent many diseases. I saw dirty butcheries and<br>>
restaurants closed by health officers. There was a semblance of
planned<br>> dukas. Where the madness of unplanningness came from I do
not know but<br>> this is one of the things “candidate� Ndemo will deal
with.<br>><br>> In conclusion, we must make very tough decisions if we
want a better<br>> future. I know the new constitution has brought all
sorts of rights but<br>> it is all nonsense if we undermine the future with
unplanned population,<br>> unplanned urban centers, unplanned future,
etc.   There must be no<br>> rights<br>> without
responsibility.<br>><br>><br>>
Ndemo.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>> Bw
PS,<br>>><br>>> nice insights you have below. Mine is
simply to ask what your<br>>> thoughts<br>>> are, in terms of making
consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost<br>>> of<br>>>
bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB<br>>>
(over<br>>> satellite) but now it has dropped below 500USD per
MB. Basically<br>>> it<br>>> has dropped by 10 times -
HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of<br>>> accessing internet is still
1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it<br>>> was<br>>> during
the satellite days.<br>>><br>>> Mobile data internet which is the
more common form of access is not any<br>>> cheaper either.ÂÂ
There's has been NO drop per-se, just marketing<br>>> gimmicks of
increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH)<br>>>
price.<br>>> It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel,
but since<br>>> there<br>>> has been good rains/harvest, for the
same 2,500/= you are free to eat<br>>> ALL<br>>> you want...sounds
good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/=<br>>> lunch bracket
in the first place - who unfortunately are not<br>>> many....particularly
in an economy whose average monthly income is<br>>> around<br>>>
8,000sh.<br>>><br>>> So how do you intend to tackle the internet
price problem when you get<br>>> to<br>>> be
President?<br>>><br>>> walu.<br>>><br>>> --- On Fri,
8/12/11, <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>>
wrote:<br>>><br>>> From: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>
>>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to
Public<br>>> Demand<br>>> To: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>>> Cc: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
>>
Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM<br>>><br>>>
Harry,<br>>> Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the
moment. The<br>>> difference is how you handle the
situation. In Britain the Prime<br>>> Minister<br>>>
thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on
at<br>>> home but he was forced to dash home. Before I respond to
how we take<br>>> care<br>>> of our crisis, I felt there is a
patriotism lesson that we need to learn<br>>> from
Britain.<br>>><br>>> The first reports we got in our News papers
here and even in electronic<br>>> media, there was no cause of the crisis
in Britain. It was simply<br>>> reported that London is
burning. Some of our best media houses with<br>>> so<br>>>
many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when,
why,<br>>> etc.<br>>>Â This would have helped us
understand. This is because the British<br>>> Media<br>>>
(from where our Media got the story) first looks at their<br>>>
country’s<br>>> interests first and everything else is
secondary. Does our Media<br>>> have<br>>> what they call
Kenyan or African interests? If they did, they would<br>>>
have<br>>> raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora.ÂÂ
We shall be<br>>> more<br>>> respected if we had the interest of
those in the Diaspora at heart be<br>>> they<br>>> from Bahamas or
Nigeria.<br>>><br>>> How do we respond to our crisis? This
should not be a government<br>>> project.<br>>>Â The entire
society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings<br>>> because this
where our problems start and will open up greater<br>>>
opportunity<br>>> and sustained harmony for all humanity. In
other countries they make<br>>> an<br>>> effort to socially
integrate all citizens of different economic classes.<br>>> Let me
elaborate. In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found<br>>>
drinking<br>>> with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and
sometimes you<br>>> find they are neighbours. It is not common
you find a woman with an<br>>> undergraduate degree married to a plumber
for example. We have<br>>> defined<br>>> classes that we
try everything to belong to. We do not have good<br>>> plumbers,
mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand<br>>>
s<br>>> looking for white collar jobs.<br>>><br>>> I am sure
most of you have watched Cheers. The artists in the bar<br>>> are
a<br>>> postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a
common<br>>> goal. Where no one thinks or feels they know more
than the<br>>> other. This<br>>> is the begging of building
a harmonious society that no one feels left<br>>> out. The rift
we have created just needs a small thing like shooting<br>>> a<br>>>
drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose. We must
not<br>>> forget<br>>> that this happened in China in 1949 when the
Maoists took over. They<br>>> literary killed anybody who seemed
to be from upper class. Land<br>>> reform<br>>> was the
major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural<br>>> population,
around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former<br>>> landlords
were confiscated by the government and subsequently<br>>> redistributed to
the lower-class peasants. Do not forget the French<br>>>
revolution.<br>>><br>>> Discrimination in any form should be
shunned. This is because it is<br>>> the<br>>> basis of all
problems be it class or tribalism.  Three of my<br>>>
close<br>>> friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried
to<br>>> explain. <br>>> Mr.<br>>> X got six and
eighteen points at O and A levels respectively. At<br>>>
university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and<br>>>
joined<br>>> the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA. Mr. Y had
division II and<br>>> could<br>>> not afford high school but went to
Kenya Science Teachers to become a<br>>> teacher. Mr. Z also
passed his O levels with Division III and joined<br>>> Barclays Bank as a
Clerical officer. They have struggled in their<br>>>
own<br>>> ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest. Any
time I am with<br>>> X, he<br>>> complains why I should even have
time for Y and Z. Y by the way has<br>>> struggled for many years
and he will soon get his PhD. According to<br>>> X<br>>>
these are not our class of people. He loathes Z as one who
failed<br>>> and<br>>> now<br>>> possibly has earned his
wealth through corrupt means. In spite of<br>>> the<br>>>
fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he
belongs<br>>> to<br>>> a different class and hangs around some of
the “successful�<br>>> people.<br>>> Although I have
never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads<br>>> them to
discriminate X from some events. At some point we were four<br>>>
young<br>>> lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because
of<br>>> differences in the way we led our lives after high
school. I hear<br>>> and<br>>> see<br>>> this kind of
stories often and make me feel bad about class division in<br>>> our
country.<br>>><br>>> I have had the privilege of deciding who my
assistants should be but not<br>>> once have I ever picked someone because
we spoke the same vernacular<br>>> language. My current office is
a living example and after leading by<br>>> example, all of my senior
officers followed suit. This is how we<br>>> should<br>>>
begin to tackle the problem of tribalism. We also must
ensure<br>>> equitable<br>>> distribution of resources and start
connecting all the counties with<br>>> roads, energy, water, schools and
hospitals. We have already<br>>> connected<br>>> fibre
optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the<br>>>
pockets that exist. Even with difficult times we have managed
to<br>>> balance<br>>> infrastructure development to all parts of
the country. We shall<br>>> continue<br>>> with similar
strategies.<br>>><br>>> To achieve my objectives, I take you back to
building sustained regional<br>>> influence and develop the HUB concept in
everything here in Kenya.<br>>> Transportation, ICT, Industrialization,
and practically everything Hub.<br>>> Of course some of our neighbours
will feel jealous.   This is<br>>> what
we<br>>> need<br>>> in a sustained way because it will help
galvanize Kenyans against some<br>>> external
“aggressor�. President Museveni used this<br>>>
effectively to<br>>> get<br>>> Ugandans behind him when he claimed
Migingo as a strategy to get<br>>> re-elected. Let us do good to
the entire East Africa by building the<br>>> rail<br>>> up to Goma,
Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi. <br>>>
We<br>>> must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap
to<br>>> access<br>>> it to all rail destinations. Develop
capacity to serve the entire<br>>> world<br>>> back
offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on
our<br>>> agriculture. Let me not disclose the entire
strategy.<br>>><br>>> Regards<br>>><br>>><br>>>
Ndemo.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>><br>>>>
Bw Ps,<br>>>><br>>>> Thanks for your articulative responses...
Indeed looking at events<br>>>> cutting<br>>>> across the
globe<br>>>> now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar
socio-economic<br>>>> challenges. Bottom<br>>>> line, is how
do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this<br>>>>
is<br>>>> what makes the<br>>>> huge difference between moving
forward purposefully to achieve progress<br>>>> and<br>>>>
backpeddling on<br>>>> the other hand.<br>>>><br>>>>
We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place
to<br>>>> ensure<br>>>> a balanced<br>>>>
infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of
the<br>>>> concentration right<br>>>> now is around the
Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest<br>>>>
of<br>>>> the country.<br>>>> How about dealing with the great
tribalism "monster".<br>>>><br>>>> 3rdly, what
strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream<br>>>>
you<br>>>> have.<br>>>><br>>>>
Harry<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> -----Original
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to
Public<br>>>> Demand<br>>>><br>>>>
Grace,<br>>>> Thank you for extending the debate to Monday. I
hope I get time to<br>>>> articulate some of the issues that will
impact our lives in the next<br>>>> few<br>>>> years.ÂÂ
Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing<br>>>>
with<br>>>> our<br>>>> social development. I went
ahead and gave examples from the US and<br>>>> UK.<br>>>>
Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come
to<br>>>> pass.<br>>>> Even the Central Bank we got some good
debate out of my post.<br>>>><br>>>> Leadership requires
selfless commitment to the people they lead. It<br>>>>
is<br>>>> a<br>>>> sacrifice one makes. In this
respect, I will seek for advisors who<br>>>> have<br>>>>
demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication.ÂÂ
We<br>>>> have<br>>>> these<br>>>> people but they
have never been given a chance to lead. The<br>>>>
constitution<br>>>> has<br>>>> accorded us the opportunity to
search for such people.<br>>>> If you read today's front page Standard,
it has the requirement for<br>>>> those<br>>>> who want to
join the electoral commission. If we follow the<br>>>>
requirement<br>>>> to<br>>>> the letter, we shall get credible
people. It is this process that<br>>>> lacked<br>>>>
before and political operatives took charge in many posts within<br>>>>
government.<br>>>><br>>>> Indeed there will be a policy
guideline on all organizations registered<br>>>> under Societies
Act. It is in the interest of the public that these<br>>>>
organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are
tax<br>>>> exempt. Tax exemption means that we the public
partly fund their<br>>>> activities. Further the state has a
responsibility to protect its<br>>>> citizens<br>>>> from
being taken advantage of. We cannot burry our heads in
the<br>>>> sand<br>>>> on<br>>>> this issue no matter
how sensitive it is. We shall also be<br>>>>
implementing<br>>>> our<br>>>> constitution with respect to
Bill of Rights.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>
Regards<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>
Ndemo.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>
Listers<br>>>>><br>>>>> We have received
requests (offline) that we allow "Candidate"<br>>>>>
Ndemo<br>>>>> more time for him to respond to more concerns being
raised.<br>>>>><br>>>>> This is to let you know that the
'official campaign period" has been<br>>>>> extended up to Monday
August 15, 2011.<br>>>>><br>>>>> And now Dr. Ndemo,
Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of<br>>>>> advisors you
would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear<br>>>>> you
on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches
and<br>>>>> the fact that they are not audited. I know for example
in Washington<br>>>>> DC, Parish priests have to present audited
accounts to Parishoners<br>>>>> once a year, while the Bishop
fundraises through a system that is open<br>>>>> to public scrutiny.
Would you then make a policy decision on this? On<br>>>>> a light
note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the<br>>>>>
'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes"
:)<br>>>>><br>>>>> Listers, let the debate
continue.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Rgds<br>>>>>
GG<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>
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