[kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo

[Agosta Liko]

Robert

Si you start an ISP ? ... with 1:1 @ USD50 per MB ... I will be a customer

Just thinking

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
> When we talk about 1 MB for $500/- I believe we are referring to a dedicated
> connection with a contention ratio of 1:1 not shared provided by the ISPs of
> 1:∞.  So the ISP buys the 1 MB at $500/- dollars and sells it to 20
> subscribers at $50/- a culture they developed during the good old days of
> satellite.
> In addition the 1 MB is not from your equipment to the ISP but should be the
> entire route into the Internet.  Exploited we still are and as has been said
> by many the prices have still not come down sufficiently.
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 17:21:40
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>
> I'm sorry to sound like a broken record but I don't know any ISP in Kenya
> selling 1Mb for >$500 - and anybody who is being extorted like this should
> go to a reputable ISP and get their service for tens of dollars, not
> hundreds....
>
> Brian
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> “naomba serikali” or not…government policies ultimately affect demand and
>> supply laws in any market. While the call here is not to go the Finish way
>> of making it a right for all citizens to have access to 1Mb of broadband by
>> 2015, or UK’s 2Mb, GOK can move to create an environment that will encourage
>> our good ISPs  lower the current rates, currently  >$500- remember, the
>> potential bulk users in Kenya earn <$1/day!
>>
>>
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>>
>>
>> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a pocket
>> full of holes.
>> DAVID TOOMA
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:20 PM
>> To: Edwin Onchari
>>
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is this another case of "naomba serikali inisaidie" - which is to typical
>> of us Kenyans....
>>
>> It is my firm belief that we have a free and open market for internet
>> services in Kenya - with little or no barriers to entry for any player.
>> Could it just be that the rules of supply and demand are applying and
>> thereby preventing the "drastic" drops in pricing that it seems many of use
>> are dreaming about?
>>
>> I think Walu is asking the right kinds of questions - how do we adjust the
>> supply/demand equation to bring about the desired results?
>>
>> In my honest opinion government has been doing a good job of staying out
>> of business - let's keep it that way.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Better yet, GOK should slice up its 40% stake and sell to smaller
>> businesses that are willing to play ball, so that Kenyans are not at the
>> mercy of a handful ISPs that cannot get their act together
>>
>>
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>>
>>
>> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a pocket
>> full of holes.
>> DAVID TOOMA
>>
>>
>>
>> From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>> Behalf Of Harry Hare
>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:35 PM
>> To: Edwin
>>
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Who in this forum thought it possible to enjoy the new calling rates which
>> are 50% of what we used to pay? My point, we need a disruptive force that
>> will force the ISPs to lower their rates. The Government still hold 40% of
>> TEAMS, and I remember the PS once saying that he will use this if the
>> operators fail to drop their costs. Probably this is the time...this,
>> together with NOFBI, the ministry has capacity to roll out a project like -
>> “free internet for all”, another first from Kenya.
>>
>> Think about it.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On 9/23/10 2:14 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes WHOLESALE prices are down by 80% but RETAIL prices remain relatively
>> high.  Are the ISP/Telco eating up the difference by way of SUPER-PROFITS?
>>
>> Not sure. There are multiple and intermediary variables that play between
>> the Wholesale Level and the Retail Level that includes, but not limited to
>> Cost of Local loops, Usage/Volume Levels,  Local Content, Regulatory&
>> Competition Environments, Charging Models, etc.
>>
>> The challenge is to get a way in which to measure and establish which of
>> the above variables will have the biggest, positive and sustainable impact
>> on Retail Internet pricing.  Worse still, a "wrong" distortion of any of the
>> above maybe counterproductive to the others in the long run. It requires a
>> delicate balance of the whole ecosystem.
>>
>> But perhaps I could be wrong..
>>
>>
>> walu.
>>
>> --- On Thu, 9/23/10, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:28 PM
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com
>> </mc/compose?to=eonchari at lynxbits.com> > wrote:
>> > Yes Dennis,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Take the case of the US for instance. 1 Mb (dedicated) is going for less
>> > than $50…
>>
>> Wholesale cost there is ~$2.50 for 1 Mb/sec
>>
>> >in Kenya, it’s anything between $500-$800.
>>
>> Wholesale price in Kenya?  Around 50 USD per Mb/sec  (in Mombasa) is
>> what I heard recently from an industry player.  That is probably for a
>> volume purchase of course.
>>
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