[kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo

Fri Sep 24 09:59:40 EAT 2010

Oooh ... and if you throw in good customer service, this could get even more
exciting!

On 24 September 2010 09:50, Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Robert
>
> Si you start an ISP ? ... with 1:1 @ USD50 per MB ... I will be a customer
>
> Just thinking
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > When we talk about 1 MB for $500/- I believe we are referring to a
> dedicated
> > connection with a contention ratio of 1:1 not shared provided by the ISPs
> of
> > 1:∞.  So the ISP buys the 1 MB at $500/- dollars and sells it to 20
> > subscribers at $50/- a culture they developed during the good old days of
> > satellite.
> > In addition the 1 MB is not from your equipment to the ISP but should be
> the
> > entire route into the Internet.  Exploited we still are and as has been
> said
> > by many the prices have still not come down sufficiently.
> >
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > Kenya
> >
> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
> > To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 17:21:40
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> >
> > I'm sorry to sound like a broken record but I don't know any ISP in Kenya
> > selling 1Mb for >$500 - and anybody who is being extorted like this
> should
> > go to a reputable ISP and get their service for tens of dollars, not
> > hundreds....
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> “naomba serikali” or not…government policies ultimately affect demand
> and
> >> supply laws in any market. While the call here is not to go the Finish
> way
> >> of making it a right for all citizens to have access to 1Mb of broadband
> by
> >> 2015, or UK’s 2Mb, GOK can move to create an environment that will
> encourage
> >> our good ISPs  lower the current rates, currently  >$500- remember, the
> >> potential bulk users in Kenya earn <$1/day!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Edwin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a
> pocket
> >> full of holes.
> >> DAVID TOOMA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe at gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:20 PM
> >> To: Edwin Onchari
> >>
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Is this another case of "naomba serikali inisaidie" - which is to
> typical
> >> of us Kenyans....
> >>
> >> It is my firm belief that we have a free and open market for internet
> >> services in Kenya - with little or no barriers to entry for any player.
> >> Could it just be that the rules of supply and demand are applying and
> >> thereby preventing the "drastic" drops in pricing that it seems many of
> use
> >> are dreaming about?
> >>
> >> I think Walu is asking the right kinds of questions - how do we adjust
> the
> >> supply/demand equation to bring about the desired results?
> >>
> >> In my honest opinion government has been doing a good job of staying out
> >> of business - let's keep it that way.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Better yet, GOK should slice up its 40% stake and sell to smaller
> >> businesses that are willing to play ball, so that Kenyans are not at the
> >> mercy of a handful ISPs that cannot get their act together
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Edwin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a
> pocket
> >> full of holes.
> >> DAVID TOOMA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> >> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari <kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari>=
> lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> >> Behalf Of Harry Hare
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:35 PM
> >> To: Edwin
> >>
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> Who in this forum thought it possible to enjoy the new calling rates
> which
> >> are 50% of what we used to pay? My point, we need a disruptive force
> that
> >> will force the ISPs to lower their rates. The Government still hold 40%
> of
> >> TEAMS, and I remember the PS once saying that he will use this if the
> >> operators fail to drop their costs. Probably this is the time...this,
> >> together with NOFBI, the ministry has capacity to roll out a project
> like -
> >> “free internet for all”, another first from Kenya.
> >>
> >> Think about it.
> >>
> >> Harry
> >>
> >> On 9/23/10 2:14 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes WHOLESALE prices are down by 80% but RETAIL prices remain relatively
> >> high.  Are the ISP/Telco eating up the difference by way of
> SUPER-PROFITS?
> >>
> >> Not sure. There are multiple and intermediary variables that play
> between
> >> the Wholesale Level and the Retail Level that includes, but not limited
> to
> >> Cost of Local loops, Usage/Volume Levels,  Local Content, Regulatory&
> >> Competition Environments, Charging Models, etc.
> >>
> >> The challenge is to get a way in which to measure and establish which of
> >> the above variables will have the biggest, positive and sustainable
> impact
> >> on Retail Internet pricing.  Worse still, a "wrong" distortion of any of
> the
> >> above maybe counterproductive to the others in the long run. It requires
> a
> >> delicate balance of the whole ecosystem.
> >>
> >> But perhaps I could be wrong..
> >>
> >>
> >> walu.
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 9/23/10, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:28 PM
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com
> >> </mc/compose?to=eonchari at lynxbits.com> > wrote:
> >> > Yes Dennis,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Take the case of the US for instance. 1 Mb (dedicated) is going for
> less
> >> > than $50…
> >>
> >> Wholesale cost there is ~$2.50 for 1 Mb/sec
> >>
> >> >in Kenya, it’s anything between $500-$800.
> >>
> >> Wholesale price in Kenya?  Around 50 USD per Mb/sec  (in Mombasa) is
> >> what I heard recently from an industry player.  That is probably for a
> >> volume purchase of course.
> >>
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