[kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo

Fri Sep 24 09:33:29 EAT 2010

Hi,

When Kenya Power supplies power to a salon are they in the salon business? No, 
so when the government levels the playing field they are not getting into 
business but are creating a favourable environment for business to flourish so 
that they can tax them and get money for social projects.

We are not asking government to become an ISP the same way KDN has realised that 
retail of not their cup of tea but to make sure that we are not exploited by big 
business who deny upstarts and MSE (micro & small business).

Regards
 Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 16:19:47
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo

Hi all,

Is this another case of "naomba serikali inisaidie" - which is to typical of us 
Kenyans....

It is my firm belief that we have a free and open market for internet services 
in Kenya - with little or no barriers to entry for any player. Could it just be 
that the rules of supply and demand are applying and thereby preventing the 
"drastic" drops in pricing that it seems many of use are dreaming about?

I think Walu is asking the right kinds of questions - how do we adjust the 
supply/demand equation to bring about the desired results?

In my honest opinion government has been doing a good job of staying out of 
business - let's keep it that way.

Regards,

Brian

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com> wrote:

Better yet, GOK should slice up its 40% stake and sell to smaller businesses 
that are willing to play ball, so that Kenyans are not at the mercy of a handful 
ISPs that cannot get their act together
> 
>Edwin
> 
>Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a pocket full 
>of holes.
>DAVID TOOMA
> 
>From:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke 
>[mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf 
>Of Harry Hare
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:35 PM
>To: Edwin
>
>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>
>Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> 
>Hello All,
>
>Who in this forum thought it possible to enjoy the new calling rates which are 
>50% of what we used to pay? My point, we need a disruptive force that will force 
>the ISPs to lower their rates. The Government still hold 40% of TEAMS, and I 
>remember the PS once saying that he will use this if the operators fail to drop 
>their costs. Probably this is the time...this, together with NOFBI, the ministry 
>has capacity to roll out a project like - “free internet for all”, another first 
>from Kenya.  
>
>Think about it.
>
>Harry
>
>On 9/23/10 2:14 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Yes WHOLESALE prices are down by 80% but RETAIL prices remain relatively high. 
> Are the ISP/Telco eating up the difference by way of SUPER-PROFITS?
>
>Not sure. There are multiple and intermediary variables that play between the 
>Wholesale Level and the Retail Level that includes, but not limited to Cost of 
>Local loops, Usage/Volume Levels,  Local Content, Regulatory& Competition 
>Environments, Charging Models, etc.
>
>The challenge is to get a way in which to measure and establish which of the 
>above variables will have the biggest, positive and sustainable impact on Retail 
>Internet pricing.  Worse still, a "wrong" distortion of any of the above maybe 
>counterproductive to the others in the long run. It requires a delicate balance 
>of the whole ecosystem.
>
>But perhaps I could be wrong..
>
>
>walu.
>
>--- On Thu, 9/23/10, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:28 PM
>
>Hi,
>
>On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com 
></mc/compose?to=eonchari at lynxbits.com> > wrote:
>> Yes Dennis,
>>
>>
>>
>> Take the case of the US for instance. 1 Mb (dedicated) is going for less
>> than $50…
>
>Wholesale cost there is ~$2.50 for 1 Mb/sec
>
>>in Kenya, it’s anything between $500-$800.
>
>Wholesale price in Kenya?  Around 50 USD per Mb/sec  (in Mombasa) is
>what I heard recently from an industry player.  That is probably for a
>volume purchase of course.
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