<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div></div><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>When Kenya Power supplies power to a salon are they in the salon business? No, so when the government levels the playing field they are not getting into business but are creating a favourable environment for business to flourish so that they can tax them and get money for social projects.</div><div><br></div><div>We are not asking government to become an ISP the same way KDN has realised that retail of not their cup of tea but to make sure that we are not exploited by big business who deny upstarts and MSE (micro & small business).</div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br> </div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya<br><br><div>Tel: +254722511225,
+254202010696<div><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, 23 September, 2010 16:19:47<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br></font><br>Hi all,<br><br>Is this another case of "naomba serikali inisaidie" - which is to typical of us Kenyans....<br><br>It is my firm belief that we have a free and open market for internet services in Kenya - with little or no barriers to entry
for any player. Could it just be that the rules of supply and demand are applying and thereby preventing the "drastic" drops in pricing that it seems many of use are dreaming about?<br>
<br>I think Walu is asking the right kinds of questions - how do we adjust the supply/demand equation to bring about the desired results?<br><br>In my honest opinion government has been doing a good job of staying out of business - let's keep it that way.<br>
<br>Regards,<br><br>Brian<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Edwin Onchari <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Better yet, GOK should slice up its 40% stake and sell to
smaller businesses that are willing to play ball, so that Kenyans are not at
the mercy of a handful ISPs that cannot get their act together</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Edwin</span><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 153);">Sales without Customer Service</span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 153);">........</span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 153);">is
like stuffing money into a pocket full of holes.</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 153);"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 153);">DAVID TOOMA</span><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 153);"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;">
kictanet-bounces+eonchari=<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lynxbits.com">lynxbits.com</a>@<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>
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Behalf Of </b>Harry Hare<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Edwin</span></p><div class="im"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo</div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Hello All,<br>
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Who in this forum thought it possible to enjoy the new calling rates which are
50% of what we used to pay? My point, we need a disruptive force that will
force the ISPs to lower their rates. The Government still hold 40% of TEAMS,
and I remember the PS once saying that he will use this if the operators fail
to drop their costs. Probably this is the time...this, together with NOFBI, the
ministry has capacity to roll out a project like - “free internet for all”,
another first from Kenya. <br>
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Think about it.<br>
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Harry<br>
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On 9/23/10 2:14 PM, "Walubengo J" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Yes
WHOLESALE prices are down by 80% but RETAIL prices remain relatively high.
Are the ISP/Telco eating up the difference by way of SUPER-PROFITS?<br>
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Not sure. There are multiple and intermediary variables that play between the
Wholesale Level and the Retail Level that includes, but not limited to Cost of
Local loops, Usage/Volume Levels, Local Content, Regulatory&
Competition Environments, Charging Models, etc.<br>
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The challenge is to get a way in which to measure and establish which of the
above variables will have the biggest, positive and sustainable impact on
Retail Internet pricing. Worse still, a "wrong" distortion of
any of the above maybe counterproductive to the others in the long run. It
requires a delicate balance of the whole ecosystem.<br>
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But perhaps I could be wrong..<br>
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walu.<br>
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--- On <b>Thu, 9/23/10, McTim <i><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>></i></b>
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From: McTim <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br>
To: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:28 PM<br>
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Hi,<br>
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Edwin Onchari <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a> <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=eonchari@lynxbits.com">/mc/compose?to=eonchari@lynxbits.com</a>>
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> Yes Dennis,<br>
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> Take the case of the US for instance. 1 Mb (dedicated) is going for less<br>
> than $50…<br>
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Wholesale cost there is ~$2.50 for 1 Mb/sec<br>
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>in Kenya, it’s anything between $500-$800.<br>
<br>
Wholesale price in Kenya? Around 50 USD per Mb/sec (in Mombasa) is<br>
what I heard recently from an industry player. That is probably for a<br>
volume purchase of course.</span></p>
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