[kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo-but who is to blame?

Thu Sep 23 18:01:19 EAT 2010

Hi,

Give the farmer in Kirinyaga relevant content and he will want to get online, 
give you dad relevant local content like a social network where he can meet with 
his grandchildren and he will want to get online.

Watch Citizen TV during working hours for you and me or listen to Kameme during 
the same time and you will realise that the reason the farmer in Kirinyaga 
listens to Kameme when picking tea.  The content is not the raunchy discussions 
on Kiss and Capital which add no productive value but erode our morals.

Take this model online and resolve the issue of dealing with the ISP, lets see 
how they will survive the county governments.

Regards
 Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 14:39:28
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo-but who is to blame?

@ Edwin,

By saying ISPs/Telcos to "Open Up their Supply Chain" do you mean "Force down 
the Retail Cost in order to stimulate demand?" - Hoping to recoup cost through 
larger volume sales?

Again, the ASSUMPTION here is that lower costs will automatically stimulate 
demand. Perhaps there's no demand because there's no local internet content and 
as such dropping cost may not really increas demand. 

Put differently, 90% of the Kenyans who are currently NOT using the internet, 
dont, simply because there's NOTHING in it for them (why would my Dad get 
online? or that farmer in Kirinyaga? to do facebook, yahoo, youtube?(.. the 
current hot content "locally" here)). 

In other words even giving them FREE internet will not get them online...but it 
might get the Operators broke, forcing some of them to close shop and eventually 
deny the few 10% of  the current Kenyan Internet Users access to the 'Net...far 
fetched but possible.

walu.

--- On Thu, 9/23/10, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com> wrote:

>From: Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>
>Subject: RE: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo-but who is to blame?
>To: "'Walubengo J'" <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:16 PM
>
>
> 
>Walu,
> 
>The ISPs/Telcos are to blame for the sheer lack of innovation on their part. The 
>one asset that they have not leveraged on is the abundant; under-utilized IT 
>human resource and entrepreneurial base inKenya. Open up their supply chain to 
>include this group(s) will see the last mile issue sorted = more users= shared 
>costs on the bandwidth procured by ISPs=lowered retail prices
> 
>My take,
> 
>Edwin
> 
>From:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke 
>[mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf 
>Of Walubengo J
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:04 PM
>To: Edwin
>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo-but who is to blame?
> 
>Yawe,
>
>I think everyone (including ISPs) ASSUMED that the marine cable will   
>automatically crash the RETAIL internet prices.  But ofcourse that   turned out 
>to be false.
>
>At the same time, it DOES NOT mean the marine cable was a wasted   effort.  It 
>simply means the marine cable is NECESSARY but NOT   SUFFICIENT to bring down 
>retail internet prices.
>
>I am not sure at this moment in time whom to blame for this. But I know its   
>not Dr. Ndemo nor the ISPs/Telcos. I am investigating this phenomena, and   
>perhaps, sometime future I could share the results...
>
>walu.
>@ Nnenna, your quotes from Senegal, Ivory Coast are juicy - but dig deeper -   
>since at face value, the mobile internet prices in .Ke look cheap, but in   long 
>term reality(usage) they ARE NOT!
>
>--- On Thu, 9/23/10, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>Subject: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"   <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 11:38 AM
>Hi,
> 
>The ISPs have   now teamed up and agreed that the cost of "International" 
>Internet   access will not be coming down soon because we have less than 2.6%   
>penetration.
> 
>Dr. Ndemo, this   is a slap on you, wield your big stick, or sorry not possible 
>you recently   handed it over to Orange.
> 
>There is only   one solution to this issue lets concentrate in developing local 
>content   thereby reducing the dependence on the over hyped marine cable.  But   
>based on the discussions on the commodity exchange system this will be an up   
>hill task as we question the credibility of everyone he tries to setup a   local 
>online application or service.
> 
>I read an   article on how Hon. Kilonzo is planning to setup green houses in all 
>the   schools in his constituency while the others are trying to provide 
>computers   to children who are not able to get a balanced diet.  
> 
>Again I repeat   "I am ashamed to be a member of the ICT fraternity" but like 
>was   once said by a disgruntled KANU memebrr "I shall remain the   opposition 
>within"
> 
>Regards
> 
>Robert Yawe
>KAY System Technologies Ltd
>Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>Kenya
>Tel:   +254722511225, +254202010696
> 
> 
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