[kictanet] Call for opinions - CCK vs Safaricom

Fri May 7 17:38:17 EAT 2010

MM,

this Kwame guy is an interesting read!. One amusing message I picked says that the regulator should be protecting consumers - not competitors ;-)

..and from the "streets" some analyst said that Safcom may have exploited its dominance position; but that was in the beginning (ref: interconnection tariff wars with Kencell 6-8yrs ago). Currently, it will be a tall order to get evidence of the yet to be defined "exploiting" dominance postion"

walu.

--- On Fri, 5/7/10, muriuki mureithi <mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:

From: muriuki mureithi <mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] {HIJACK} Call for opinions - CCK vs Safaricom
To: jwalu at yahoo.com
Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "'ke-users'" <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 3:32 PM

Kui 

For  a local context  from an economic perspective , read the
attached  

Regards  

Muriuki Mureithi  

From:
kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
Behalf Of John Kariuki

Sent: 07 May 2010 08:09

To: mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke

Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users

Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] {HIJACK} Call for opinions -
CCK vs Safaricom 

  Kui,

  For some background information  on Competition, Dominance,etc you could
  check on the following information resources which should be available
  on-line:

  1.Oftel, January 2000- The application of the Competition Act in
  Telecommunications Sector.

  2. INTUG - Anti-Competitive Conduct and Competition Policy in
  Telecommunications,ITU,Geneva 22 Nov.2002

  3.EU Directive 2002/19/EC 0f 7/3/2002 (Access Directive)

  4. European Court of Justice in " United Brands v. Commission(1978) ECR.
  207

  5.Telecommunication Regulation Handbook(Module 5 - Competition Policy) by
  INFODEV, 

  Good  Luck,

  John Kariuki

  --- On Thu, 6/5/10, Marie-Anne Kinyanjui <mkinyanjui at nation.co.ke>
  wrote: 

  From: Marie-Anne Kinyanjui <mkinyanjui at nation.co.ke>

  Subject: [ke-internetusers] {HIJACK} Call for opinions - CCK vs Safaricom

  To: "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>

  Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
  <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "ke-users"
  <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>

  Date: Thursday, 6 May, 2010, 8:47 

  Is there anyone on the list with a firm grasp of the
  industry (and who is not directly involved :-) who is wiling to offer their
  objective views on this subject for publication in Business Daily?

  400-600 words please.

  Thanks.

  Kui Kinyanjui

  Business Daily

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  From: kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
  [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
  On Behalf Of McTim

  Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:15 AM

  To: Marie-Anne Kinyanjui

  Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users; Angela Nganga- Mumo

  Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: CCK vs
  Safaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?

  On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau

  <solo.mburu at gmail.com>
  wrote:

  > This is great Angela.

  > I really need to know why the 'big boy' is suddenly crying foul.

  Let's re-examine our assumptions of who the "Big Boy" in the Kenyan

  Telecommunications market is.

  The GoK owns a huge minority shareholding in Telkom.Orange (and may in

  future own a majority share).  When Orange makes a profit, so do its

  owners.

  The GoK owns a huge minority shareholding in Safaricom.  When SafCom

  makes a profit, so do its owners.

  The GoK collects a tremendous amount of VAT and other taxes from the

  telecoms market players.

  The GoK collects a tremendous amount of license fees and frequencies

  fees from the telecoms market players.

  The GoK sets policy via the CCK and the Ministry.

  So from my POV, the GoK is the BIG BOY, it seems to me that this is

  the "elephant in the room" that no one is talking about.

  In any case on this specific regulation, I applaud the intent of

  creating a level playing field.  However, I see no monetary
  "teeth" or

  enforcement measures (read fines) in this single doc (I have yet to

  read the others).

  My main objection is the 25% rule.  My reading of this is that there

  MUST always be at least one dominant provider.  Let me use a poker

  game analogy to make my point.  Before the first hand is dealt, all

  players will have an equal amount of chips.  After the first hand (and

  subsequent hands) there will (most likely) be a "chip leader" and a

  "short stack".  It is not likely that there will ever be
  equilibrium

  in the game (or in the telecoms market).

  I would suggest that this clause is not helpful, at least at the 25%

  value at which the trigger is now set.

  No wonder Safaricom is complaining.

  --

  Cheers,

  McTim

  "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A

  route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

  >

  > On 06/05/2010, Carole K <mhariricarole at gmail.com>
  wrote:

  >> Thank you Angela, you are a star! The rest of us can now be informed
  about

  >> this new "unfair" regulation.

  >>

  >> CK

  >>

  >> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Angela Nganga- Mumo <

  >> anganga at orange-tkl.co.ke>
  wrote:

  >>

  >>> Dear All,

  >>>

  >>> Please find a PDF copy of the regulations.

  >>>

  >>> Regards,

  >>>

  >>>  logo2

  >>>

  >>>

  >>>

  >>> Angela Ng'ang'a - Mumo

  >>>

  >>> Head of Corporate Communications

  >>>

  >>> Landline:               
        + 254 20 3232011

  >>>

  >>> Orange Fixed Plus :       +254 20
  2454233

  >>>

  >>> Orange Mobile:           
     +254 772 548 066

  >>>

  >>> Email :               
           anganga at orange-tkl.co.ke

  >>>

  >>>  cid:image003.jpg at 01C9FEEE.6AAFAFA0

  >>>

  >>>

  >>> -----Original Message-----

  >>> From: ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net

  >>> [mailto:ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net]
  On Behalf Of

  >>> bitange at jambo.co.ke

  >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 7:41 PM

  >>> To: Andrea Bohnstedt

  >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users

  >>> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: [kictanet] CCK vs

  >>> Safaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?

  >>>

  >>> Will send it tomorrow.

  >>>

  >>>

  >>> Ndemo.

  >>>

  >>>

  >>> > I'd like to see the text, too. Dr Ndemo, could you or one
  of your

  >>> > colleagues

  >>> > email round a pdf with the regulations, please? Easier and
  a bit nicer

  >>> on

  >>> > the environment than all of us running downtown to buy
  paper copies.

  >>> >

  >>> > Thanks, Andrea

  >>> >

  >>> > On 4 May 2010 09:32, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:

  >>> >

  >>> >> the drama continues,

  >>> >>

  >>> >> in a louder paid-up advert in today's press Yu, Orange
  and Zain

  >>> support

  >>> >> the

  >>> >> CCK regulations and dispute yesterday's Safcom's
  complaint.  All

  >>> these

  >>> >> without the public (or is it me?) not having copies of
  what they are

  >>> >> arguing

  >>> >> about!

  >>> >>

  >>> >> Someone told me the copies of this regulations are
  available at the

  >>> >> Government Printers at a small fee.  Halloo?
  Assuming I leave in

  >>> >> Lokichoggio, Should i spend two days on the road to
  come and pickup

  >>> some

  >>> >> hard-copy regulations that should be downloadable?

  >>> >>

  >>> >> Sergon, can you help me, where does this leave you with
  your

  >>> eGovernment

  >>> >> stories?

  >>> >>

  >>> >> walu.

  >>> >>

  >>> >> --- On *Mon, 5/3/10, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>* wrote:

  >>> >>

  >>> >>

  >>> >> From: Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>

  >>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK vs Safaricom?

  >>> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com

  >>> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>

  >>> >> Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 10:55 AM

  >>> >>

  >>> >> Just seen a loud complaint from Safcom in today's Daily
  Nation.  They

  >>> >> quoted four regulations that have been gazetted and I
  have searched

  >>> >> www.cck.go.ke to get a mouse on them but failed.

  >>> >>

  >>> >> Anybody with e-copies on these regulations or specific
  url can plse

  >>> >> update.

  >>> >>

  >>> >> walu.

  >>> >>

  >>> >>

  >>> >>

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  >

  > --

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  > the same way to the side of a hill!

  >

  > AND

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  route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

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