[kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 5 of 8 Theme : Critical Internet Resources- Continuation

Mon Jul 12 18:07:31 EAT 2010

Thanks Lordmwesh, your answer was really insightfull, , @ Judy, since KENIC
is a PPP, i suppose the outcome of the AGM should be sufficent to advise the
Honourable Minister since it is the voice of the people, @ Wamuyu, those are
great ideas, i am sure the KENIC marketing commitee would like to pick on
some of this, the idea is when we work together for a common purpose we all
win, ICANN No 37 was a case in point on what we can achieve through PPP, the
sky is the limit.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> On prices, you have selected a price that is an outlier on the upper side.
> I have been looking at gTLD prices with a couple foreign based registrars.
> gTLD like .org and .com are in the $6 range - less than Kshs 500.
>
> It would be good to see a partnership on .ke and Brand Kenya. A swell in
> national pride would be good for .ke registrations. Imagine if we were the
> ones who had recently hosted the World Cup with such enthusiasm and
> professionalism (or something similar) - .ke would sell like hot cakes.
> Maybe, with Brand Kenya, we should host the Netanyahu/Abu Mazen negotiations
> (after all we did Sudan well), or ask Obama to host a US Cabinet/NATO
> meeting here...
>
> regards,
> Wamuyu
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com>
> *To:* wamuyulearn at yahoo.co.uk
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Sat, 10 July, 2010 17:27:00
>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 5 of 8 Theme :
> Critical Internet Resources- Continuation
>
> @Waudo, KENIC has a very good mechanism for domain transfers between
> registrars. The process is as simple as 123. The domain owner
> aproaches the registrar of choice, and decides to transfer in, the
> registrar then puts an online request to the competitor to transfer
> out. If he refuses, there is a despute committee than can arbitrate.
> Of course the big players are the hardest to transfer out of, and also
> some quacks will never transfer a domain at all. This is an issue of
> ethics.
>
> It would sound illogical to transfer an expired domain. You have to
> renew it first.
>
> If you have paid for domain renewal and it has not been renewed, then
> you have been scammed. You can take the issue with KENIC desputes
> committee.
>
> @Judy, the KENIC pricing has been discussed at lengths. I used to
> advocate lower prices, but since I became an insider, I now know
> better. Look at the price of .xxx domain. At $60 translating at about
> KES4500 with more than 100,000, domains already booked, that's $6M per
> year, while .org and .com costs KES800, enjoying millions of
> subscribers, thus giving them economies of scale. You will realise
> that KENIC survives on a shoe string budget. If you look at their
> balance sheets, you can't help but pity them. According to this
> presentation by Kemibaro, .ke domains are not overpriced
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/kemibaro/kenya-network-information-centre-kenic-marketing-plan-for-201011
>
> We only have paltry 3000 .ke domains.
>
> At some quarters, its has been argued that personal .me.ke domain
> should be given out for free for the first year. Maybe even .sc.ke and
> .ne.ke. I think that would be a brilliant marketing strategy, then go
> back to 500bob per year thereafter.
>
> Anybody advocating for lowering of .ke prices should also at the same
> time come up with a survival tactic for KENIC. How they will pay their
> staff and maintain the servers.
>
> I would suggest that KENIC start offering hosting, colocation,
> consultancy, and such related services. But again such divergence
> might bring about conflict of interest.
>
> @Barrack, you hit the nail directly at the head. That is perfect
> observation that 'ask not what KENIC has done for you, but what you
> have done for KENIC'. As registrars we are always faced with the
> choice of whether to give our clients a ccTLD or gTLD. Most of us opt
> for gTLD because we are saving some few cents. After doing a market
> survey, I realised that most established registrar charge the same
> amount for either gTLD or ccTLD. We need concerted effort and
> willingness by the registrar to convince clients to take our .ke
> ccTLD, only then, shall we prosper as a registry
>
> We Kenyans should start feeling proud of our 'identity'. I think the
> patriotic card can be played well to convince people to take our local
> domains. The marking strategy of 'zingine ni COMmon' was very good. It
> should be revived. We should also convince our politicians to take .ke
> domain when they are launching their campaign websites. In that way,
> the population will be exposed to the .ke brand.
>
> Regards
> Mwendwa Kivuva
> 0722402248
> get a .co.ke at 2000 + VAT
>
> On 7/9/10, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
> >  Hi Judy/All,
> >
> > Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed
> > the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its
> > registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of
> > the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but
> > "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the
> > uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a
> > problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one
> > I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription
> > expires and then there seems to be a very small window which
> > appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are
> > stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape.
> > And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal
> > and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the
> > domain.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Waudo
> >
> > On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite"
> > <judyokite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Dear All,
> >
> >
> >
> > maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
> >
> >
> >
> > looking at the KENIC situation, with the
> > equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way
> > up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
> >
> > Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
> >
> >
> >
> > Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
> >
> >
> >
> >  KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc
> > is Ksh 500/- P/A
> >
> > KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu,  mentioned during one of the
> > sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally
> > agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
> >
> > Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
> >
> >
> >
> > Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite
> > <[2]judyokite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Greetings All,
> >
> >
> >  Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads.  Feel
> >  free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by
> >  clicking  on the correct subject/title.
> >
> >
> >  Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
> >
> >
> >  1.      DNSSEC
> >
> >  2.      IPV6- the regulatory angle,
> >
> >  Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the
> >  opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world,
> >  then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that.
> >  Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that
> >  most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6
> >  ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
> >
> >  What is your thought?  Should we be concerned about e.g the
> >  hardware getting into our country ?
> >
> >    And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
> >
> >
> >    Reactions?
> >
> >    Today , we add
> >
> >
> >  3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
> >
> >
> >  Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a
> >  broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet
> >  Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit
> >  organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an
> >  initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and
> >  foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public
> >  private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
> >
> >
> >  KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but
> >  last year,
> >
> >  The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the
> >  Commission to provide public policy oversight on the
> >  administration and management of the dot KE country code Top
> >  Level Domain (ccTLD).
> >
> >  [4]http://www.e-
> >  [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai
> >  ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
> >
> >
> >  1.      A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the
> >  discussions begun and I quote
> >
> >
> > “ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM
> > ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some
> > clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to
> > the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
> >
> > While he conceded  that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate
> > the Regulator to oversee these subdomains,  the Minister had yet
> > to issue regulations on how it would be done because most
> > stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific
> > clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder,
> > public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and
> > oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some
> > consensus is reached on the way forward...”
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a
> >  system/process and is it underway?
> >
> >
> >  I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what
> >  effect has this had in the market, more especially for the
> >  Registrars.
> >
> >
> >  Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
> >
> >
> >  Kind Regards,
> >  --
> >  “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who
> >  you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why
> >  you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
> >
> > --
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> > are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want
> > to get there.” Kofi Annan
> >
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> > References
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> > 1. http://co.ke/
> > 2. mailto:judyokite at gmail.com
> > 3. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
> > 4. http://www.e-/
> > 5.
> >
> http://government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=1&Itemid=119
> > 6. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
> >
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