[kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 5 of 8 Theme : Critical Internet Resources- Continuation

Mon Jul 12 17:27:03 EAT 2010

On prices, you have selected a price that is an outlier on the upper side. I 
have been looking at gTLD prices with a couple foreign based registrars. gTLD 
like .org and .com are in the $6 range - less than Kshs 500.

It would be good to see a partnership on .ke and Brand Kenya. A swell in 
national pride would be good for .ke registrations. Imagine if we were the ones 
who had recently hosted the World Cup with such enthusiasm and professionalism 
(or something similar) - .ke would sell like hot cakes. Maybe, with Brand 
Kenya, we should host the Netanyahu/Abu Mazen negotiations (after all we did 
Sudan well), or ask Obama to host a US Cabinet/NATO meeting here...

regards,
Wamuyu

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Internet Resources- Continuation

@Waudo, KENIC has a very good mechanism for domain transfers between
registrars. The process is as simple as 123. The domain owner
aproaches the registrar of choice, and decides to transfer in, the
registrar then puts an online request to the competitor to transfer
out. If he refuses, there is a despute committee than can arbitrate.
Of course the big players are the hardest to transfer out of, and also
some quacks will never transfer a domain at all. This is an issue of
ethics.

It would sound illogical to transfer an expired domain. You have to
renew it first.

If you have paid for domain renewal and it has not been renewed, then
you have been scammed. You can take the issue with KENIC desputes
committee.

@Judy, the KENIC pricing has been discussed at lengths. I used to
advocate lower prices, but since I became an insider, I now know
better. Look at the price of .xxx domain. At $60 translating at about
KES4500 with more than 100,000, domains already booked, that's $6M per
year, while .org and .com costs KES800, enjoying millions of
subscribers, thus giving them economies of scale. You will realise
that KENIC survives on a shoe string budget. If you look at their
balance sheets, you can't help but pity them. According to this
presentation by Kemibaro, .ke domains are not overpriced
http://www.slideshare.net/kemibaro/kenya-network-information-centre-kenic-marketing-plan-for-201011

We only have paltry 3000 .ke domains.

At some quarters, its has been argued that personal .me.ke domain
should be given out for free for the first year. Maybe even .sc.ke and
.ne.ke. I think that would be a brilliant marketing strategy, then go
back to 500bob per year thereafter.

Anybody advocating for lowering of .ke prices should also at the same
time come up with a survival tactic for KENIC. How they will pay their
staff and maintain the servers.

I would suggest that KENIC start offering hosting, colocation,
consultancy, and such related services. But again such divergence
might bring about conflict of interest.

@Barrack, you hit the nail directly at the head. That is perfect
observation that 'ask not what KENIC has done for you, but what you
have done for KENIC'. As registrars we are always faced with the
choice of whether to give our clients a ccTLD or gTLD. Most of us opt
for gTLD because we are saving some few cents. After doing a market
survey, I realised that most established registrar charge the same
amount for either gTLD or ccTLD. We need concerted effort and
willingness by the registrar to convince clients to take our .ke
ccTLD, only then, shall we prosper as a registry

We Kenyans should start feeling proud of our 'identity'. I think the
patriotic card can be played well to convince people to take our local
domains. The marking strategy of 'zingine ni COMmon' was very good. It
should be revived. We should also convince our politicians to take .ke
domain when they are launching their campaign websites. In that way,
the population will be exposed to the .ke brand.

Regards
Mwendwa Kivuva
0722402248
get a .co.ke at 2000 + VAT

On 7/9/10, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
>  Hi Judy/All,
>
> Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed
> the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its
> registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of
> the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but
> "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the
> uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a
> problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one
> I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription
> expires and then there seems to be a very small window which
> appears to be the registrars secret weapon, meaning once you are
> stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape.
> And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal
> and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the
> domain.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Waudo
>
> On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite"
> <judyokite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Dear All,
>
>
>
> maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...
>
>
>
> looking at the KENIC situation, with the
> equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way
> up above a registrar....so what does that make them?
>
> Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?
>
>
>
> Secondly, the high prices of domain registration:
>
>
>
>  KENIC's pricing of .[1]co.ke is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc
> is Ksh 500/- P/A
>
> KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu,  mentioned during one of the
> sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally
> agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.
>
> Was there any changes to that effect, this year?
>
>
>
> Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite
> <[2]judyokite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Greetings All,
>
>
>  Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads.  Feel
>  free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by
>  clicking  on the correct subject/title.
>
>
>  Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,
>
>
>  1.      DNSSEC
>
>  2.      IPV6- the regulatory angle,
>
>  Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the
>  opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world,
>  then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that.
>  Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that
>  most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6
>  ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”
>
>  What is your thought?  Should we be concerned about e.g the
>  hardware getting into our country ?
>
>    And if we should, who should be in charge of that?
>
>
>    Reactions?
>
>    Today , we add
>
>
>  3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)
>
>
>  Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a
>  broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet
>  Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit
>  organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an
>  initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and
>  foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public
>  private partnership (ppp's). [3]www.kenic.or.ke
>
>
>  KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but
>  last year,
>
>  The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the
>  Commission to provide public policy oversight on the
>  administration and management of the dot KE country code Top
>  Level Domain (ccTLD).
>
>  [4]http://www.e-
>  [5]government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai
>  ls&gid=1&Itemid=119
>
>
>  1.      A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the
>  discussions begun and I quote
>
>
> “ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM
> ([6]www.kenic.or.ke) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some
> clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to
> the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.
>
> While he conceded  that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate
> the Regulator to oversee these subdomains,  the Minister had yet
> to issue regulations on how it would be done because most
> stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific
> clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder,
> public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and
> oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some
> consensus is reached on the way forward...”
>
>
>
>
>  Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a
>  system/process and is it underway?
>
>
>  I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what
>  effect has this had in the market, more especially for the
>  Registrars.
>
>
>  Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…
>
>
>  Kind Regards,
>  --
>  “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who
>  you are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why
>  you want to get there.” Kofi Annan
>
> --
> “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you
> are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want
> to get there.” Kofi Annan
>
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> 1. http://co.ke/
> 2. mailto:judyokite at gmail.com
> 3. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
> 4. http://www.e-/
> 5.
>http://government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_details&gid=1&Itemid=119
>9
> 6. http://www.kenic.or.ke/
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