Thanks Lordmwesh, your answer was really insightfull, , @ Judy, since KENIC is a PPP, i suppose the outcome of the AGM should be sufficent to advise the Honourable Minister since it is the voice of the people, @ Wamuyu, those are great ideas, i am sure the KENIC marketing commitee would like to pick on some of this, the idea is when we work together for a common purpose we all win, ICANN No 37 was a case in point on what we can achieve through PPP, the sky is the limit.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Wamuyu Gatheru <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk">wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div style="font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>On prices, you have selected a price that is an outlier on the upper side. I have been looking at gTLD prices with a couple foreign based registrars. gTLD like .org and .com are in the $6 range - less than Kshs 500.</div>
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<div>It would be good to see a partnership on .ke and Brand Kenya. A swell in national pride would be good for .ke registrations. Imagine if we were the ones who had recently hosted the World Cup with such enthusiasm and professionalism (or something similar) - .ke would sell like hot cakes. Maybe, with Brand Kenya, we should host the Netanyahu/Abu Mazen negotiations (after all we did Sudan well), or ask Obama to host a US Cabinet/NATO meeting here...</div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> lordmwesh <<a href="mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com" target="_blank">lordmwesh@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, 10 July, 2010 17:27:00<div class="im">
<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 5 of 8 Theme : Critical Internet Resources- Continuation<br></div></font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>@Waudo, KENIC has a very good mechanism for domain transfers between<br>
registrars. The process is as simple as 123. The domain owner<br>aproaches the registrar of choice, and decides to transfer in, the<br>registrar then puts an online request to the competitor to transfer<br>out. If he refuses, there is a despute committee than can arbitrate.<br>
Of course the big players are the hardest to transfer out of, and
also<br>some quacks will never transfer a domain at all. This is an issue of<br>ethics.<br><br>It would sound illogical to transfer an expired domain. You have to<br>renew it first.<br><br>If you have paid for domain renewal and it has not been renewed, then<br>
you have been scammed. You can take the issue with KENIC desputes<br>committee.<br><br>@Judy, the KENIC pricing has been discussed at lengths. I used to<br>advocate lower prices, but since I became an insider, I now know<br>
better. Look at the price of .xxx domain. At $60 translating at about<br>KES4500 with more than 100,000, domains already booked, that's $6M per<br>year, while .org and .com costs KES800, enjoying millions of<br>subscribers, thus giving them economies of scale. You will realise<br>
that KENIC survives on a shoe string budget. If you look at their<br>balance sheets, you can't help but pity them. According to this<br>presentation by Kemibaro, .ke domains are not overpriced<br><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/kemibaro/kenya-network-information-centre-kenic-marketing-plan-for-201011" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/kemibaro/kenya-network-information-centre-kenic-marketing-plan-for-201011</a><br>
<br>We only have paltry 3000 .ke domains.<br><br>At some quarters, its has been argued that personal .<a href="http://me.ke" target="_blank">me.ke</a> domain<br>should be given out for free for the first year. Maybe even .<a href="http://sc.ke" target="_blank">sc.ke</a> and<br>
.<a href="http://ne.ke" target="_blank">ne.ke</a>. I think that would be a brilliant marketing strategy, then go<br>back to 500bob per year thereafter.<br><br>Anybody advocating for lowering of .ke prices should also at the same<br>
time come up with a survival tactic for KENIC. How they will pay their<br>staff and maintain the servers.<br><br>I would suggest that KENIC start offering hosting, colocation,<br>consultancy, and such related services. But again such divergence<br>
might bring about conflict of interest.<br><br>@Barrack, you hit the nail directly at the head. That is
perfect<br>observation that 'ask not what KENIC has done for you, but what you<br>have done for KENIC'. As registrars we are always faced with the<br>choice of whether to give our clients a ccTLD or gTLD. Most of us opt<br>
for gTLD because we are saving some few cents. After doing a market<br>survey, I realised that most established registrar charge the same<br>amount for either gTLD or ccTLD. We need concerted effort and<br>willingness by the registrar to convince clients to take our .ke<br>
ccTLD, only then, shall we prosper as a registry<br><br>We Kenyans should start feeling proud of our 'identity'. I think the<br>patriotic card can be played well to convince people to take our local<br>domains. The marking strategy of 'zingine ni COMmon' was very good. It<br>
should be revived. We should also convince our politicians to take .ke<br>domain when they are launching their campaign websites. In that way,<br>the population will be exposed to the .ke
brand.<br><br>Regards<br>Mwendwa Kivuva<br>0722402248<br>get a .<a href="http://co.ke" target="_blank">co.ke</a> at 2000 + VAT<br><br>On 7/9/10, waudo siganga <<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com" target="_blank">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi Judy/All,<br>><br>> Talking about KENIC (with the caveat that I unfortunately missed<br>> the AGM); but what control does KENIC actually have over its<br>> registrars e.g with the quality of hosting services????? Some of<br>
> the registrars appear to want to cut corners by getting cheap but<br>> "unreliable" hosting solutions and this can adversely affect the<br>> uptake of .ke. Furthermore domain porting between registrars is a<br>
> problem and I wonder what procedures KENIC has for this? For one<br>> I know that it is not possbile to port until the subscription<br>> expires and then there seems to be a very small window which<br>> appears to be the registrars secret
weapon, meaning once you are<br>> stuck with a registrar it is practically impossible to escape.<br>> And last time I had a .ke domain I paid the registrar for renewal<br>> and this was never done. Eventually I seem to have lost the<br>
> domain.<br>><br>> Kind Regards,<br>> Waudo<br>><br>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:20 +0300, "Judy Okite"<br>> <<a href="mailto:judyokite@gmail.com" target="_blank">judyokite@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>> Dear All,<br>><br>><br>><br>> maybe we have already switched to the 'weekend mode'....:-)...<br>><br>><br>><br>> looking at the KENIC situation, with the<br>> equipment/infrastructure/ capacity that they have, they are way<br>
> up above a registrar....so what does that make them?<br>><br>> Any knowledgeable person to give us a peek into this matter?<br>><br>><br>><br>> Secondly, the high prices of domain
registration:<br>><br>><br>><br>> KENIC's pricing of .[1]<a href="http://co.ke" target="_blank">co.ke</a> is Ksh 2000/ and that for .ac & .sc<br>> is Ksh 500/- P/A<br>><br>> KENIC' s administrator ,Kiragu, mentioned during one of the<br>
> sessions in the ICANN 38,Nairobi....that the prices are normally<br>> agreed and passed during KENIC's AGM.<br>><br>> Was there any changes to that effect, this year?<br>><br>><br>><br>> Querries, comments, corrections are welcomed!<br>
><br>><br>><br>> Kind Regards,<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Judy Okite<br>> <[2]<a href="mailto:judyokite@gmail.com" target="_blank">judyokite@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>> Greetings All,<br>><br>><br>> Thank you, for all your inputs to the previous threads. Feel<br>> free to post your belated remarks on the previous themes, by<br>>
clicking on the correct subject/title.<br>><br>><br>> Today, we continue to discuss Critical Internet Resources,<br>><br>><br>> 1. DNSSEC<br>><br>> 2. IPV6- the regulatory angle,<br>
><br>> Yesterday,on Regulation McTim,said and I quote “I am of the<br>> opinion that if a person or org wants to live in a v4 world,<br>> then a nation state sholdn't preclude them from doing that.<br>> Having said that, I think it would be useful to point out that<br>
> most (if not all) kit imported (new and used) is either v6<br>> ready or with a few software changes, can be made v6 ready.”<br>><br>> What is your thought? Should we be concerned about e.g the<br>> hardware getting into our country ?<br>
><br>> And if we should, who should be in charge of
that?<br>><br>><br>> Reactions?<br>><br>> Today , we add<br>><br>><br>> 3. .ke ccTLD management (Kenya Country Top Level Domain)<br>><br>><br>> Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) was borne through a<br>
> broad based consultative process of the "Local Internet<br>> Community" with an aim to institute a local non-profit<br>> organization to manage and operate the .KE ccTLD. This was an<br>> initial step to facilitate growth of the Internet sub-sect and<br>
> foster the uptake of ICT's in the country through a public<br>> private partnership (ppp's). [3]<a href="http://www.kenic.or.ke" target="_blank">www.kenic.or.ke</a><br>><br>><br>> KENIC has been managing the .ke , since its inception, but<br>
> last year,<br>><br>> The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act of 2009 mandated the<br>> Commission to provide public policy oversight on
the<br>> administration and management of the dot KE country code Top<br>> Level Domain (ccTLD).<br>><br>> [4]<a href="http://www.e-/" target="_blank">http://www.e-</a><br>> [5]<a href="http://government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai" target="_blank">government.go.ke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_detai</a><br>
> ls&gid=1&Itemid=119<br>><br>><br>> 1. A message sent by Mr. Walubengo, before the<br>> discussions begun and I quote<br>><br>><br>> “ I just have an update from yesterday's KENIC AGM<br>
> ([6]<a href="http://www.kenic.or.ke" target="_blank">www.kenic.or.ke</a>) where the Chair, Sammy Buruchara made some<br>> clarification on the role of the regulator (CCK) with regards to<br>> the management of the 2nd level Kenyan domain name space.<br>
><br>> While he conceded that the Kenya Comm. Act (2009) does mandate<br>> the Regulator to oversee these subdomains, the Minister had yet<br>> to issue regulations on how it would be done
because most<br>> stakeholders have shown concern and reservations on that specific<br>> clause...meaning status quo remains where the multistakeholder,<br>> public private partnership that makes up KENIC still manages and<br>
> oversees all levels of the .KE namespace untill hopefully some<br>> consensus is reached on the way forward...”<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Why has it taken this long for the Minister to act? Is there a<br>
> system/process and is it underway?<br>><br>><br>> I would love to hear from the knowledgeable people, what<br>> effect has this had in the market, more especially for the<br>> Registrars.<br>><br>
><br>> Your thoughts, inputs, corrections, are most welcome…<br>><br>><br>> Kind Regards,<br>> --<br>> “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who<br>> you are and what you stand
for, where you want to go and why<br>> you want to get there.” Kofi Annan<br>><br>> --<br>> “To live is to choose. But to choose well, you must know who you<br>> are and what you stand for, where you want to go and why you want<br>
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><br>> References<br>><br>> 1. <a href="http://co.ke/" target="_blank">http://co.ke/</a><br>> 2. mailto:<a href="mailto:judyokite@gmail.com" target="_blank">judyokite@gmail.com</a><br>> 3. <a href="http://www.kenic.or.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.kenic.or.ke/</a><br>
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