[kictanet] Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?

Tue Feb 9 13:14:54 EAT 2010

Without falling victims of Paralysis Of Analysis?, Prof has taken the
1st step, let the many innovative Kenyans reap frog and take this
technology to the next level.

EJ

From: kictanet-bounces+ejnyagah=telkom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+ejnyagah=telkom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
Behalf Of Harry Delano
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:34 PM
To: Evans J. Nyagah
Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?

Guys,

This is quite informative.. Please keep the debate going.

And all this, is development...

Harry

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From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
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To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
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Subject: [kictanet] Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: S.Murigi Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?
To: Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>

Well Cisco had sued them for .... 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:

Murigi,

Actually, if you look at all of Huawei and ZTEs CDMA products, they
purchase/license the core chip from Qualcomm, who have the patent for
the technology. In fact, they ate Qualcomms biggest partner.

Brian

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2010, at 10:37 AM, S.Murigi Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>
wrote:

All well & good. If the Chinese listened to these kinds of (valid)
points there would be no Huawei or ZTE in existence. Knowledge first
(primary) & legalities (later but) not to be ignored.

No nation has developed by impressing foreigners but primarily by being
civilized (not harming anyone including foreigners), believing in its
own people & by promoting learning with its boundaries.

SMM

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From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 09:47
To: murigi.muraya at gmail.com
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?

Good morning all, 

I didn't refer to Prof. Kamau, I referred to the statement of Dr Ndemo,
which he kindly qualified. I am aware of the debate of generic drugs and
the arguments made that the public good should override patent rights.
But this is, as I'm sure everyone is also aware of, a complex topic,
with an equally complex international legal framework, and as much as
it's easy to hate big pharma, I think some recognition needs to be given
to companies that invest heavily in R&D. 

In the Kenyan debate specifically, I would find it counterproductive if
senior government officials openly call for patent right infringements
(and again, Dr Ndemo did qualify his statement). Apart from the fact
that I'd rather like to see innovation encouraged, it does nothing for
Kenya's image towards international ICT and tech investors or people
looking to outsource processes. Copy right and patent infringement and
intellectual property right theft was and is a big concern in China, and
Kenya has none of the advantages that China offers to offset these: very
low-cost manufacturing environment and a huge domestic market. It's a
bit of a contradiction to call for e.g. certifications etc to build
international credibility, and then offset it with a signal like this. 

On the IPad specificially: I doubt that Kenyan companies, even if they
managed to copy the IPad, would be able to build it at a lower cost, and
the way the education sector is run now, they'd be stolen just as
quickly as any book - probably faster. I went to the Intel Classmate
launch a couple of years ago and they made a useful point that just
handing out kiddie laptops is not the solution: You need the whole
ecosystem to make them productive. Electricity, connectivity, a place to
lock them up, and importantly a teaching plan that they are integrated
into. 

Have a lovely day, 
Andrea  

On 9 February 2010 09:07, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:

@Andrea,

Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?

If I was Prof. Kamau, I would carefully ride on both - depending on the
convenience of the laws applicable and the demand for public good. Draw
the parallel with generic HIV medicines...

walu.

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From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Getting a hold on cybercrime against women
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To: jwalu at yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 12:40 AM

Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?

On 8 February 2010 21:01, <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

Dear listers,
Prof. Kamau, University of Nairobi's engineering school has
successifully reverse engineered the converter box for digital TV.
Those willing to visit the fab lab next week should register with Awiti
in my office.  His e-mail is nawiti at information.go.ke.

I am hoping soon we can reverse engineer the ipad so that we can use it
to distribute e-books to all kids in the country and avoid this theft of
textbooks.

Regards.

Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry(r)

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