[kictanet] Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?

Tue Feb 9 12:04:38 EAT 2010

Yes, I remember the cisco saga very well. Their router OS was a mirror  
imager of Cisco IOS. I even played around with it a bit. Seems they  
wised up with CDMA.

B

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On Feb 9, 2010, at 11:45 AM, "S.Murigi Muraya"  
<murigi.muraya at gmail.com> wrote:

> Cisco drops Huawei lawsuit • The Register
>
>
> 29 Jul 2004 ... The settlement comes 20 months after Cisco sued  
> Huawei for allegedly using stolen Cisco's technology to develop a  
> line-up of routers and ...
> www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/29/cisco_huawei_case_ends/
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: S.Murigi Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?
> To: Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
>
>
> Well Cisco had sued them for ....
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> Murigi,
>
> Actually, if you look at all of Huawei and ZTEs CDMA products, they  
> purchase/license the core chip from Qualcomm, who have the patent  
> for the technology. In fact, they ate Qualcomms biggest partner.
>
> Brian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 9, 2010, at 10:37 AM, S.Murigi Muraya  
> <murigi.muraya at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All well & good. If the Chinese listened to these kinds of (valid)  
>> points there would be no Huawei or ZTE in existence. Knowledge  
>> first (primary) & legalities (later but) not to be ignored.
>>
>> No nation has developed by impressing foreigners but primarily by  
>> being civilized (not harming anyone including foreigners),  
>> believing in its own people & by promoting learning with its  
>> boundaries.
>>
>> SMM
>>
>> From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 09:47
>> To: murigi.muraya at gmail.com
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?
>>
>> Good morning all,
>>
>> I didn't refer to Prof. Kamau, I referred to the statement of Dr  
>> Ndemo, which he kindly qualified. I am aware of the debate of  
>> generic drugs and the arguments made that the public good should  
>> override patent rights. But this is, as I'm sure everyone is also  
>> aware of, a complex topic, with an equally complex international  
>> legal framework, and as much as it's easy to hate big pharma, I  
>> think some recognition needs to be given to companies that invest  
>> heavily in R&D.
>>
>> In the Kenyan debate specifically, I would find it  
>> counterproductive if senior government officials openly call for  
>> patent right infringements (and again, Dr Ndemo did qualify his  
>> statement). Apart from the fact that I'd rather like to see  
>> innovation encouraged, it does nothing for Kenya's image towards  
>> international ICT and tech investors or people looking to outsource  
>> processes. Copy right and patent infringement and intellectual  
>> property right theft was and is a big concern in China, and Kenya  
>> has none of the advantages that China offers to offset these: very  
>> low-cost manufacturing environment and a huge domestic market. It's  
>> a bit of a contradiction to call for e.g. certifications etc to  
>> build international credibility, and then offset it with a signal  
>> like this.
>>
>> On the IPad specificially: I doubt that Kenyan companies, even if  
>> they managed to copy the IPad, would be able to build it at a lower  
>> cost, and the way the education sector is run now, they'd be stolen  
>> just as quickly as any book - probably faster. I went to the Intel  
>> Classmate launch a couple of years ago and they made a useful point  
>> that just handing out kiddie laptops is not the solution: You need  
>> the whole ecosystem to make them productive. Electricity,  
>> connectivity, a place to lock them up, and importantly a teaching  
>> plan that they are integrated into.
>>
>> Have a lovely day,
>> Andrea
>>
>> On 9 February 2010 09:07, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> @Andrea,
>>
>> Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?
>>
>> If I was Prof. Kamau, I would carefully ride on both - depending on  
>> the convenience of the laws applicable and the demand for public  
>> good. Draw the parallel with generic HIV medicines...
>>
>> walu.
>>
>> --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Getting a hold on cybercrime against women  
>> (cyber pests!)
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 12:40 AM
>>
>> Reverse engineering - or patent infringement?
>>
>> On 8 February 2010 21:01, <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>> Dear listers,
>> Prof. Kamau, University of Nairobi's engineering school has  
>> successifully reverse engineered the converter box for digital TV.   
>> Those willing to visit the fab lab next week should register with  
>> Awiti in my office.  His e-mail is nawiti at information.go.ke.
>>
>> I am hoping soon we can reverse engineer the ipad so that we can  
>> use it to distribute e-books to all kids in the country and avoid  
>> this theft of textbooks.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Ndemo.
>> Sent from my BlackBerry®
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "muriuki mureithi" <mureithi at summitstrategies.co.ke>
>> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:14:20
>> To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Subject: [kictanet] Getting a hold on cybercrime against women  
>> (cyber pests!)
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