[kictanet] Pondering mobile competition

Wed Aug 25 18:29:28 EAT 2010

Friends,

This is good for the market, the Consumer will end up as King, whichever way
one looks at it the competition is more than pricing, i am not so good with
colours but at least green is a warm colour :-) even cows in the village can
recognise it, i suppose the community needs some warmth warmth from Zain as
well, i dont think the whole country is covered yet and the fight might be
for the few clients in major urban areas, i wonder whether there is anything
like Universal Coverage and what the regulator has to say about it, Prices
will always come down with economies of scale.

My thoughts

I suppose

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau
<solo.mburu at gmail.com>wrote:

> Listrers,
> (I'm typing this from a street corner!)
>
> There's a lot of pessimism towards Zain's new tarrif owing to the fact
> that, maybe, "most" people are in Safaricom.
> It's quiet illogical even for some non-market analysts, to give their
> negative impression of Zain/Bharti tarrif owing to the fact that they
> might be shareholders of Safcom.
> I'd rather, we don't take sides and let the best team win - as long
> the consumer is - insttead of attacking an investment.
>
> My little thoughts.
>
> On 25/08/2010, Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
> wrote:
> > Cool!
> >
> > On 25 August 2010 17:56, Dennis Kipruto <rutodenis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Andrea,
> >>
> >> On monday I bought a zain sim card and I wasn't allowed to pick my line
> >> before I had given a copy Of my ID card.all the street vendors have been
> >> given a booklet containing all the details that need to registered by
> >> respective telcos.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Dennis Kipruto.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt <
> >> andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm particularly curious if, in this whole feeding frenzy, Zain are
> >> actually urging people to register, and also whether CCK will really
> treat
> >> end-August as the cut-off date and, well, cut everyone unregistered off.
> >> It'd be interesting to hear from both organisations.
> >>
> >> I'm still not sure whether my registrations have actually entered the
> >> system, never mind whether the whole exercise made any sense since I'm
> now
> >> convinced that I could have registered as Elton John. Or even as Michael
> >> Jackson in his latter pale days:
> >>
> >>
> >> <
> http://andreabohnstedt.blogspot.com/2010/07/anecdotal-evicence-sim-card.html
> >
> >>
> http://andreabohnstedt.blogspot.com/2010/07/anecdotal-evicence-sim-card.html
> >>
> >> On 25 August 2010 16:32, <
> >> <Francis.Hook at gmail.com>Francis.Hook at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> It would be interesting to see what impact SIM registration has on
> total
> >>> subscriber numbers across all networks. In RSA, Vodacom alone shed one
> >>> million subscribers when SIM registration was implemented. With the
> multi
> >>> SIM card population we have (Yu, Zain, Orange in the wallet and
> Safaricom
> >>> in
> >>> the phone...or sthg like that...or two lines on one network obtained
> from
> >>> handset offers etc), subscribers may be compelled to decide who is
> their
> >>> "true love"....and now with the tariff wars raging....and with MNP in
> the
> >>> vicinity push WILL come to shove.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2010 2:41pm, Walubengo J < <jwalu at yahoo.com>jwalu at yahoo.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Andrea,
> >>> >
> >>> > yes, indeed these are interesting times. but not for me, at least not
> >>> yet.
> >>> >
> >>> > The high costs of voice communications have for a very longtime
> >>> socialized me into the (peculiar?) habit of NOT talking. I have grown
> >>> used
> >>> to alternative means of communication and just feel too old to suddenly
> >>> start yapping. So of what use is 20bob, 8bob, 3bob, 2bob or even 1bob
> per
> >>> minute voice call if I rarely talk anyway ;-)
> >>> >
> >>> > My prayer is that these price wars will eventually move over from the
> >>> Voice to Data (internet) markets.  That will be the day I will really
> get
> >>> excited...
> >>> >
> >>> > walu.
> >>> > nb: me-still-thinks Zain will not cause any significant dent on
> Safcom
> >>> 80% existing market share but shall instead gain 80% of all the NEW
> >>> subscribers over the next couple of months...but perharps am just being
> >>> biased since am told the Zain new owners
> >>> > have the money to sustain "loses" for longer periods of time(even
> 5yrs)
> >>> in order to cause a serious dent on the market leader's position. May
> the
> >>> best man and woman win.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Andrea Bohnstedt
> >>> <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
> andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
> >>> andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
> >>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Pondering mobile competition
> >>> > To: <jwalu at yahoo.com>jwalu at yahoo.com
> >>> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> >
> >>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>> > Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 4:38 PM
> >>> >
> >>> > The 'abuse' complaint was silly, I think: Zain's network was
> congested
> >>> from day one of their tariff launch. I'm sure, very very sure, that
> >>> telecoms
> >>> professionals at both Zain and Bharti are, well, professional enough to
> >>> anticipate the need to increase network capacity if
> >>> > they launch such an aggressive tariff.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > You've seen the fun little leaked exchange between Rene Meza and
> >>> > Michael
> >>> Joseph - Zain approached Safaricom in the evening asking for capacity
> on
> >>> the
> >>> Safaricom-owned link, and Joseph promised to look into this in the
> >>> morning.
> >>> The interconnection agreement between both companies states that this
> >>> protocol can take up to seven days, as far as I understand.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> <
> http://www.ratio-magazine.com/201008203586/Kenya/News-Analysis-Telecoms-Price-Wars-Gone-Dirty.html
> >
> >>>
> http://www.ratio-magazine.com/201008203586/Kenya/News-Analysis-Telecoms-Price-Wars-Gone-Dirty.html
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Either they could have just increased capacity before the launch, or,
> >>> > if
> >>> they were worried about alerting Safaricom to this, then just suck up
> and
> >>> tell customers that the network will be congested for another seven
> days.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > So for Zain to come out the next morning and shout about abuse is
> >>> > dishonest and a cheap marketing ploy that I think they really don't
> >>> > need.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm a happy capitalist. Competition is a good thing, in Kenya as
> >>> elsewhere. So I'd like them to compete on the strength of their
> services
> >>> and
> >>> concepts, not by overnight accusations of 'abuse'.
> >>> >
> >>> > Mind you, if Zain kill of Orange and Essar, we'll have a bit less
> >>> competition in terms of numbers, but hey ... :)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Happy phone calls,
> >>> > Andrea
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 24 August 2010 14:34, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa at googlemail.com>
> >>> oloo.khisa at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi Andreas,
> >>> >
> >>> > You have spoken for me on this one...I have also wondered since
> >>> zain/bharti lodged their complaint with CCK over clogged network, were
> >>> they
> >>> just playing spoilt kid or do they have a valid claim? My opinion is
> that
> >>> since they have experienced an unanticipated rise in subscribers they
> >>> didnt
> >>> have the network infrastructure to support these calls and so quickly
> >>> blame
> >>> the rival and make them look bad. But then again maybe they have a
> valid
> >>> case against the boys in green.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Nonetheless the winner here is the consumer. Shall we safely say that
> >>> > we
> >>> have entered the third mobile revolution.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt
> >>> <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
> andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm wondering:
> >>> >
> >>> > Will CCK strictly enforce the cut-off deadline for unregistered SIM
> >>> cards at the end of August? Are Zain making sure that everyone picking
> up
> >>> a
> >>> new line also register them immediately?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > If price war is Zain's strategy, will they have enough money left to
> >>> invest in infrastructure and customer service once their subscriber
> >>> numbers
> >>> go up significantly? Will they be able to scale up both systems quickly
> >>> enough?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Telkom Orange are cited in the media as complaining that the
> >>> interconnect rate also applies to their fixed line service and that
> this
> >>> is
> >>> not even covering their costs
> >>> (<
> http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Telkom%20unhappy%20with%20interlink%20fee/-/1006/995372/-/o9pm5az/-/
> >
> >>>
> http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Telkom%20unhappy%20with%20interlink%20fee/-/1006/995372/-/o9pm5az/-/
> ).
> >>> I wonder if the two big ones having it out won't kill the two small
> ones
> >>> first?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Bharti/Zain have also launched free sms alongside lower on and
> off-net
> >>> calling rates and free minutes in Nigeria:
> >>> <
> http://telecomyatra.afaqs.com/news/?sid=1652_Bharti+subsidiary+Zain+introduces+free+SMS+in+Nigeria
> >
> >>>
> http://telecomyatra.afaqs.com/news/?sid=1652_Bharti+subsidiary+Zain+introduces+free+SMS+in+Nigeria
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Happy afternoon,
> >>> > Andrea
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
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