[kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs

Tue Apr 27 10:46:25 EAT 2010

Superficially so.

Under the current constitution, can SUPKEM (or anyone else for that matter)
legally ban private individuals watching DSTV? If not, call the police or
whatever other law enforcement authorities you have and get them on the
case. End of. Neither a very fruitful constitutional nor ICT debate.

That enforcement of existing laws in Kenya isn't always very impressive is a
different story.

Religious leaders can recommend all sorts of stuff to their congregations,
and do. They can forbid pre-marital sex, and the members of their community
can decide to follow that - or not. Not enforceable under Kenyan laws.

On 27 April 2010 09:50, Samuel Gichuru <gichuru at gmail.com> wrote:

> Andrea, I stand corrected but I think the Ban of DSTV is definitely an ICT
> issue more than it is a constitution issue...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrea Bohnstedt <
> andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
>
>> Good morning all,
>>
>> I don't really see how this is related to the content of the proposed
>> constitution (and I think there are mechanisms to deal with such an
>> attempted ban on TV watching in the current constitution).
>>
>> More importantly, it's not really an ICT issue, no?
>>
>> Have a lovely day,
>> Andrea
>>
>> On 27 April 2010 09:30, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  At the risk of getting OT:
>>>
>>> I believe the constitution should be based on facts and not beliefs. If
>>> Christians have their own belief on abortion, let them handle it at their
>>> own expense and effort in the church, and if the Muslims have their own
>>> beliefs on Marriage, divorse, etc, let them handle it...
>>>
>>> This 10 mile strip argument should be laid to rest. I doubt Kenyan
>>> Muslims would disassociate themselves with the rest of Kenya and move to the
>>> 10 mile strip so that they can practise the 'minor' laws (as we are told) in
>>> the new constitution.
>>>
>>> Current polls show 65%-70% saying Yes. This is not good enough.
>>>
>>> One important thing stands out in these arguments. Perhaps Kenyans and
>>> not our current Constitution need to change.
>>>
>>> o_O
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Tue, 4/27/10, Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>>> To: kiriinya2000 at yahoo.com
>>>
>>> Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 9:14 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Emmanuel,
>>>
>>> There is a very clear difference between a chief's proclamation - or
>>> read, a
>>> "Govt - (which is
>>> to an extend been set up through popular will)and laws imposed through
>>> religious fundamentalism
>>> under flimsy excuses.
>>>
>>> Now, while it's got everything to do with the current constitution (
>>> though
>>> I do not have any
>>> idea under which chapters these proclamations were meted out, I also
>>> believe
>>> such moves coming
>>> while we are trying to piece together a new one, might be a signal to
>>> things
>>> to come.Infact,it
>>> could mean things could only get worse under the new one.
>>>
>>> Governance, through popular will is duty-bound to protect the very basic
>>> of
>>> rights - for all..
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>[mailto:
>>> emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>]
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:48 AM
>>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke <http://mc/[email protected]>
>>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>>>
>>> Did I miss some news?
>>>
>>> I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a
>>> decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in
>>> "Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both Christian and Muslim
>>> youth alike.
>>>
>>> I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new
>>> Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to
>>> do
>>> with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts
>>> or
>>> any of those parts being contested?
>>>
>>> I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask
>>> ourselves, what's Christ do?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Emmanuel
>>> PS: The views expressed here are my own..
>>>
>>>
>>> >  -------Original Message-------
>>> >  From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>> >
>>> >  To: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>> >  Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>> >
>>> >  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>>> >  Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26
>>> >
>>> >  You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this  country...???
>>> >
>>> >  Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated  by
>>> > fundamentalists  upon hapless citizenry, with no regard  whatsoever
>>> > for the very basic of  basic  human rights..
>>> >
>>> >  So, who is fooling who..?  Next thing, internet will be  outlawed in
>>> > that  section  of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a
>>> > time we  working to  open up space and bridge the national divide.
>>> > Time to smell  coffee...
>>> >
>>> >  Harry
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  --------------------
>>> >  FROM:  kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>> >  [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
>>> comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>]
>>>
>>> > ON  BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya
>>> >  SENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:09  AM
>>> >  TO: harry at comtelsys.co.ke<http://mc/[email protected]>
>>> >  CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy  Discussions
>>> >  SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the  Sheikhs
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new
>>> > constitution  limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to the one
>>> > religion the  Kenyan  state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who
>>> vote YES!
>>> >
>>> >  Of  course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point
>>> > this  out.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK:
>>> >  mailto:wainaina at madeinkenya.org<http://mc/[email protected]>]
>>> wainaina at madeinkenya.org <http://mc/[email protected]>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >  The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law,   outlaw
>>> DSTV,
>>> >  video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have   come at a
>>> >  more unfortunate time. The support they have received from   SUPREM
>>> >  (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate   on
>>> >  the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our   Constitution.
>>> >
>>> >  Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent   'treason' in
>>> >  my secular nation,  President Kibaki and Prime Minister   Odinga must
>>> >  also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts
>>> are   omitted
>>> >  from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with
>>> the   NO
>>> >  campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question.   No
>>> >  religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy
>>> the   privileges
>>> >  of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that   may
>>> >  disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs.
>>> >
>>> >  My   vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured
>>> >  by the   Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or
>>> >  Christian   cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of
>>> attempting
>>> >  to determine   where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I
>>> do
>>> >  so; where and   what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular
>>> >  KENYA.
>>> >
>>> >  No   religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya
>>> and
>>> >  no   loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such
>>> >  treasonable   actions.
>>> >
>>> >  Regards,
>>> >  Wainaina
>>> >
>>> >  --
>>> >  Sent from my mobile   device
>>> >
>>> >  Wainaina Mungai
>>> >  -----
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>>> >
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