[kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee amaTusiendelee?(Vote Results)

Tue Mar 3 18:16:48 EAT 2009

By the way Listers,

Mob apologies.  Last discussion topic on the Kenya Amendment Act got into a voting stage to decide whether we go beyond media issues (which we had covered) by getting into IT, Telco and Postal Issues. Here is how members voted or (did not)

Abstained: 1
YES: we go into IT, Telco, Postal issues:2
NO: we stop and compile media discussion report: 3
Kept Quiet(dont know?): 360.

So that is how the discussion died - and so will compile the media discussion and share within 1week from today (not very efficient but its because I got quite discouraged by the overwhelming number of the "Quiet" viza vis the "Voters").

walu.

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, n_macharia at yahoo.co.uk <n_macharia at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> From: n_macharia at yahoo.co.uk <n_macharia at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee amaTusiendelee?(Paused)
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 11:47 PM
> Yes
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Pamela" <pamela at cardiacimplants.com>
> 
> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:59:02 
> To: <n_macharia at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
> Discussions'<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee ama
> 	Tusiendelee?(Paused)
> 
> 
> Yes
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> On
> Behalf Of John Walubengo
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:01 PM
> To: pamela at cardiacimplants.com
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: [kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee ama
> Tusiendelee?(Paused)
> 
> Bill, Nyaki et al,
> 
> You got me been thinking...we have NOT been asking Listers
> on what THEY want
> discussed. No wonder participation/contributions have been
> declining over
> the years...
> 
> I just thought we should do a reality check and ask -
> should we discuss the
> Kenya Communications Act 2008 in totality or we just wrap
> up what has been
> said so far?
> 
> We are over 300 Listers and I only need at least (10%) that
> is 30 'Ayes or
> Yes' votes between now and end of tomorrow (Tue 20th
> Jan 2009) in order to
> continue.
> 
> eMail in your vote to the LIST (transparency), starting now
> and I will just
> do the tallying - i will avoid Form16A ;-).
> 
> walu.
> Let the people decide.
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Catherine Adeya
> <elizaslider at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10-KCA 2008, IT
> Section - the Bad +
> Recommendations
> > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:16 AM
> > I do agree with the authors (I believe from an IDRC
> > publication) who wrote ".....the link between
> policy
> > research and policy-making is
> > non-linear. Researchers must be flexible and agile in
> their
> > timing and
> > approaches if they are to influence economic policies.
> They
> > should be
> > willing and able to re-assess the situation at any
> point in
> > time, and
> > to re-visit their course of action or strategy". 
> > 
> > Failing to plan is planning to fail. Research is not
> for
> > research sake; research should and can inform policy.
> Many
> > research centres were created in response to the need
> to
> > develop
> > policies that are home-grown, given the context of the
> > failures of
> > imported policies. Many policymakers run back to the
> very
> > researchers who they would listened to in the first
> place to
> > ensure they work in partnership; however researchers
> must
> > work in a timely manner. Essentially, Walu, is on the
> right
> > track.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Nyaki
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Bill Kagai <billkagai at gmail.com>
> > To: elizaslider at yahoo.com
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:23:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10-KCA 2008, IT
> Section -
> > the Bad +  Recommendations
> > 
> > OK, I am convinced. This discussion is to do with
> research
> > and I commend that.
> > The only catch I can foresee is captured very well by
> > Physicist Dr. Angeyo Kalambuka...quoting him verbatim,
> > 
> > [However, normally, academics look backward to find
> > lessons;
> > policymakers look ahead and often must improvise.
> Academics
> > can wait
> > until all the facts are in; policymakers cannot. The
> time
> > horizon of
> > academics may be years; the horizon of policymakers,
> weeks,
> > days, even
> > hours.]
> > 
> > Source -
> >
> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/513790/-/428722/-/index.html
> > 
> > This is the key difference between David Makali and
> co.
> > (who are making
> > things happen and shaping the future) and 'us'
> who
> > are waiting to
> > derive research from the action Media policy makers
> take.
> > That is why
> > they are a step ahead of us. Walu is our Academician.
> Where
> > are our
> > policy makers who will influence our future??
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Barrack Otieno
> > <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > If
> > i may contribute to this exchange i think the
> discussion is
> > important
> > Bill. The Law is already in place , however everyone
> seems
> > to be having
> > their own opinion on the Pro's and Cons of the New
> law
> > which is
> > counterproductive in the long run for the sector.Dont
> > forget there are
> > vested interests and sideshows in this whole Law
> > issue, as practitioners it is important that we are
> all
> > informed on the
> > benefits (or good tidings) that the new new law brings
> and
> > the
> > challenges it might bring to the sector in the long
> run.In
> > short as
> > others are submitting their petitions let the debate
> > continue, we were
> > challenged at the Hilton Forum to embrace Research and
> the
> > kind of
> > information being exchanged on this forum is of utmost
> > importance to
> > all members.   
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:55 PM, John Walubengo
> > <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Bill,
> > 
> > I
> > have no game plan, I am an Academician and so find
> that I
> > am able to
> > look at this issues from each stakeholders perspective
> > relatively
> > objectively  - and yes my effort was 'duly'
> > commissioned by the
> > KICTANet National Cordinator - though not digitally
> signed
> > :-(.
> > 
> > This 10day exercise is not intended in anywway to
> undermine
> > any
> > other 'fact-finding' exercise and I believe
> the
> > Ministry (of Info) does
> > have the resources to multi-task and receive ideas
> from
> > face-2-face
> > workshops, online workshops, et al.
> > 
> > With regard to timeliness - last I heard was that Wako
> (AG)
> > and/or
> > Parliament can only begin to debate the suggested
> > recommendations/proposals in April 2009 under a new
> Bill.
> > So my take is
> > that we have enough time for KICTAnet, ISACA and/or
> any
> > other
> > Stakeholder to submit their ideas.
> > 
> > Why go into the other Sections -IT, Telco, Postal,
> etc?.
> > Again, my
> > brief was to do total review of ALL sections - avoid
> being
> > trapped in
> > the over-hyped Media vs Govt debate because all the
> other
> > sections are
> > important too and could stand to benefit from a
> review.
> > 
> > I attach the Program Outline which I posted on Day 1
> and
> > looks like
> > you missed it (hence your suspicions?). Nevertheless,
> If
> > members wish
> > that we rest the discussion, I will close the
> discussion
> > and move out
> > of the Chair accordingly.
> > 
> > 
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