[kictanet] BPO discussions -Weekend Break.

Sat Jun 6 12:16:06 EAT 2009

Walu, you forgot to add... and seek divine intervention for guidance
in the past week and strength throughout the coming week.

On 06/06/2009, jwalubengo at mmu.ac.ke <jwalubengo at mmu.ac.ke> wrote:
> Dear Lister,
>
> Thanx for your continued contributions.  I just wish to state that
> traditionally and like in all workshops/conferences, we usually use
> weekends to "refresh". This means that Listers can belatedly catch up and
> post on previous themes while others can chose to go visit the national
> parks...
>
> So that means we shall continue the discussions next Monday 8th with
> HR/Capacity issues as our theme.
>
> regards.
>
> walu.
>> I second that as their comments would be very useful going forward as the
>> findings and discussions need to feed into policy.
>>
>> N
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "godera at skyweb.co.ke" <godera at skyweb.co.ke>
>> To: elizaslider at yahoo.com
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 8:51:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 4 of 10- BPO Discussions, Govt Subsidies
>>
>>
>> As a matter of interest, is there anyone in the Vision 2030 team or the
>> NESC on
>> this list? I would love to hear a comment from them on how they intend to
>> work
>> with us to wake up this industry.
>>
>> Gilda Odera
>> Quoting Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Thanks Nyaki, i have copied the Statistics on a word document for onward
>>> digestion, i was just being loud to sell my point, i enjoy learning from
>>> our
>>> scholars MM, Waema, Dr Ndemo and many others on the list the discussion
>>> is
>>> great
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Catherine Adeya
>>> <elizaslider at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> > Barrack,
>>> >
>>> > The great thing about such a forum is there is no right or wrong
>>> answer as
>>> > long as you are on topic...one need not be a scholar to make a
>>> worthwhile
>>> > contribution. Even some of us...so called scholars sometimes fumble in
>>> our
>>> > responses....I read some of what I wrote yesterday and saw a few
>>> errors
>>> but
>>> > hey I wanted to ensure that I was contributing in a timely manner. The
>>> long
>>> > and short of what I am trying to say is your contribution below is
>>> well
>>> > understood and does not require further scholarly elaboration, others
>>> will
>>> > just tease out issues from it and flesh it out if need be.
>>> >
>>> > I hope this also helps the many listers out there in cyberspace who
>>> would
>>> > like to say something but are feeling slightly overwhelmed by these
>>> > 'scholars'. Enjoy chatting....KICTANET is your space............
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Nyaki
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> > *From:* Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>> > *To:* elizaslider at yahoo.com
>>> > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> > *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 9:03:10 AM
>>> > *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Day 4 of 10- BPO Discussions, Govt Subsidies
>>> >
>>> > Walu, and fellow Listers, i think the clause that requires local
>>> investors
>>> > to on twenty percent might be counter productive for an emerging
>>> market
>>> such
>>> > as Kenya at this point in time, i like d Dr Ndemo's suggestion of
>>> requiring
>>> > the companies to list on the stock exchange so that locals can then
>>> own a
>>> > chunk of it, remember Kenya is a "small market" to most multinationals
>>> no
>>> > wonder large companies prefer dealing with clusters MEA and the likes.
>>> On
>>> > another note Barclays Bank had a program where they were taking
>>> members of
>>> > their business club to Hong Kong and the likes, fellow listers we
>>> should
>>> not
>>> > underestimate the Value of EXPOSURE, Kenya has a well educated
>>> workforce
>>> > but they just need to be tickled by exposure and you will be surprised
>>> at
>>> > the outcome, could someone help me elaborate on this it may not be
>>> scholarly
>>> > enough !
>>> >
>>> > On 6/5/09, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> -Dear Listers,
>>> >>
>>> >> I must thank all for your insights over the last few days.  I like
>>> the
>>> >> challenge that asked whether we are "over-regulating" an emerging
>>> market
>>> as
>>> >> the "answer" to the question on if we have legal and regulatory gaps.
>>> >> Listers are encouraged to challenge and not just answer the
>>> questions.
>>> Other
>>> >> arising issues included where we want to play within the BPO Value
>>> Chain,
>>> >> the Impact of the Political (in-)stability, the need to map our Data
>>> >> Protection laws to those in the target markets are just but some of
>>> the
>>> >> highlights I picked - and by all means this is NOT exhaustive as am
>>> still
>>> >> reading through the contributions.
>>> >>
>>> >> But today we need to open the theme on Government subsidies. The
>>> >> Researchers found the S.Africa and India had elaborate subsidy
>>> provisions
>>> >> for the sector that included Tax Holidays and Exemptions, Investment
>>> Grants
>>> >> to BPO operators, Training Subsidies, One-stop shop for Corporate
>>> Company
>>> >> Registrations that could be 100% foreign owned, etc. The Researchers
>>> noted
>>> >> the unique Mauritius case which had similar incentives but eventually
>>> >> abolished most of them arguing that they were more beneficial to the
>>> >> Operators than to the Nation.
>>> >>
>>> >> On the Kenyan front - other than the not so succesfull Govt Bandwidth
>>> >> subsidies for Operators, very little in terms of incentives was
>>> available
>>> to
>>> >> BPO Operators. It was noted that the BPO operators had to be within
>>> the
>>> EPZ
>>> >> in order to enjoy the subsidies other EPZ corporates operates - the
>>> problem
>>> >> being that most BPO operaters exist outside the EPZ area. Whats more,
>>> BPO
>>> >> operators had to pay additional charges to be registered by the CCK
>>> >> (Regulator) and should be at least 20% locally owned.
>>> >>
>>> >> Qtn6:  What incentives / subsidies should the government provide to
>>> BPO
>>> >> operators?  What of the clause requiring 20% Local shareholding in
>>> foreign
>>> >> companies - is it prohibitive or helpful?
>>> >>
>>> >> Floor is open comments.
>>> >>
>>> >> walu.
>>> >> Encl: Synthesis 2:- Subsidies and Incentives
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Barrack O. Otieno
>>> > ISSEN CONSULTING
>>> > Tel:
>>> > +254721325277
>>> > +254733206359
>>> > http://projectdiscovery.or.ke
>>> > To give up the task of reforming society is to give up ones
>>> responsibility
>>> > as a free man.
>>> > Alan Paton, South Africa
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Barrack O. Otieno
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>>> Tel:
>>> +254721325277
>>> +254733206359
>>> http://projectdiscovery.or.ke
>>> To give up the task of reforming society is to give up ones
>>> responsibility
>>> as a free man.
>>> Alan Paton, South Africa
>>>
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