[kictanet] BPO discussions -Weekend Break.

Sat Jun 6 20:27:16 EAT 2009

Mburu,

Very true.  Amen to that.

Have a spiritual weekend too.
walu.
> Walu, you forgot to add... and seek divine intervention for guidance
> in the past week and strength throughout the coming week.
>
> On 06/06/2009, jwalubengo at mmu.ac.ke <jwalubengo at mmu.ac.ke> wrote:
>> Dear Lister,
>>
>> Thanx for your continued contributions.  I just wish to state that
>> traditionally and like in all workshops/conferences, we usually use
>> weekends to "refresh". This means that Listers can belatedly catch up
>> and
>> post on previous themes while others can chose to go visit the national
>> parks...
>>
>> So that means we shall continue the discussions next Monday 8th with
>> HR/Capacity issues as our theme.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> walu.
>>> I second that as their comments would be very useful going forward as
>>> the
>>> findings and discussions need to feed into policy.
>>>
>>> N
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "godera at skyweb.co.ke" <godera at skyweb.co.ke>
>>> To: elizaslider at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 8:51:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 4 of 10- BPO Discussions, Govt Subsidies
>>>
>>>
>>> As a matter of interest, is there anyone in the Vision 2030 team or the
>>> NESC on
>>> this list? I would love to hear a comment from them on how they intend
>>> to
>>> work
>>> with us to wake up this industry.
>>>
>>> Gilda Odera
>>> Quoting Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Nyaki, i have copied the Statistics on a word document for
>>>> onward
>>>> digestion, i was just being loud to sell my point, i enjoy learning
>>>> from
>>>> our
>>>> scholars MM, Waema, Dr Ndemo and many others on the list the
>>>> discussion
>>>> is
>>>> great
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Catherine Adeya
>>>> <elizaslider at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Barrack,
>>>> >
>>>> > The great thing about such a forum is there is no right or wrong
>>>> answer as
>>>> > long as you are on topic...one need not be a scholar to make a
>>>> worthwhile
>>>> > contribution. Even some of us...so called scholars sometimes fumble
>>>> in
>>>> our
>>>> > responses....I read some of what I wrote yesterday and saw a few
>>>> errors
>>>> but
>>>> > hey I wanted to ensure that I was contributing in a timely manner.
>>>> The
>>>> long
>>>> > and short of what I am trying to say is your contribution below is
>>>> well
>>>> > understood and does not require further scholarly elaboration,
>>>> others
>>>> will
>>>> > just tease out issues from it and flesh it out if need be.
>>>> >
>>>> > I hope this also helps the many listers out there in cyberspace who
>>>> would
>>>> > like to say something but are feeling slightly overwhelmed by these
>>>> > 'scholars'. Enjoy chatting....KICTANET is your space............
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Nyaki
>>>> >
>>>> > ------------------------------
>>>> > *From:* Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>>> > *To:* elizaslider at yahoo.com
>>>> > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> > *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 9:03:10 AM
>>>> > *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Day 4 of 10- BPO Discussions, Govt
>>>> Subsidies
>>>> >
>>>> > Walu, and fellow Listers, i think the clause that requires local
>>>> investors
>>>> > to on twenty percent might be counter productive for an emerging
>>>> market
>>>> such
>>>> > as Kenya at this point in time, i like d Dr Ndemo's suggestion of
>>>> requiring
>>>> > the companies to list on the stock exchange so that locals can then
>>>> own a
>>>> > chunk of it, remember Kenya is a "small market" to most
>>>> multinationals
>>>> no
>>>> > wonder large companies prefer dealing with clusters MEA and the
>>>> likes.
>>>> On
>>>> > another note Barclays Bank had a program where they were taking
>>>> members of
>>>> > their business club to Hong Kong and the likes, fellow listers we
>>>> should
>>>> not
>>>> > underestimate the Value of EXPOSURE, Kenya has a well educated
>>>> workforce
>>>> > but they just need to be tickled by exposure and you will be
>>>> surprised
>>>> at
>>>> > the outcome, could someone help me elaborate on this it may not be
>>>> scholarly
>>>> > enough !
>>>> >
>>>> > On 6/5/09, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -Dear Listers,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I must thank all for your insights over the last few days.  I like
>>>> the
>>>> >> challenge that asked whether we are "over-regulating" an emerging
>>>> market
>>>> as
>>>> >> the "answer" to the question on if we have legal and regulatory
>>>> gaps.
>>>> >> Listers are encouraged to challenge and not just answer the
>>>> questions.
>>>> Other
>>>> >> arising issues included where we want to play within the BPO Value
>>>> Chain,
>>>> >> the Impact of the Political (in-)stability, the need to map our
>>>> Data
>>>> >> Protection laws to those in the target markets are just but some of
>>>> the
>>>> >> highlights I picked - and by all means this is NOT exhaustive as am
>>>> still
>>>> >> reading through the contributions.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But today we need to open the theme on Government subsidies. The
>>>> >> Researchers found the S.Africa and India had elaborate subsidy
>>>> provisions
>>>> >> for the sector that included Tax Holidays and Exemptions,
>>>> Investment
>>>> Grants
>>>> >> to BPO operators, Training Subsidies, One-stop shop for Corporate
>>>> Company
>>>> >> Registrations that could be 100% foreign owned, etc. The
>>>> Researchers
>>>> noted
>>>> >> the unique Mauritius case which had similar incentives but
>>>> eventually
>>>> >> abolished most of them arguing that they were more beneficial to
>>>> the
>>>> >> Operators than to the Nation.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On the Kenyan front - other than the not so succesfull Govt
>>>> Bandwidth
>>>> >> subsidies for Operators, very little in terms of incentives was
>>>> available
>>>> to
>>>> >> BPO Operators. It was noted that the BPO operators had to be within
>>>> the
>>>> EPZ
>>>> >> in order to enjoy the subsidies other EPZ corporates operates - the
>>>> problem
>>>> >> being that most BPO operaters exist outside the EPZ area. Whats
>>>> more,
>>>> BPO
>>>> >> operators had to pay additional charges to be registered by the CCK
>>>> >> (Regulator) and should be at least 20% locally owned.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Qtn6:  What incentives / subsidies should the government provide to
>>>> BPO
>>>> >> operators?  What of the clause requiring 20% Local shareholding in
>>>> foreign
>>>> >> companies - is it prohibitive or helpful?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Floor is open comments.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> walu.
>>>> >> Encl: Synthesis 2:- Subsidies and Incentives
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
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>>>> > To give up the task of reforming society is to give up ones
>>>> responsibility
>>>> > as a free man.
>>>> > Alan Paton, South Africa
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> responsibility
>>>> as a free man.
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>>>>
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