[kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee ama Tusiendelee?(Paused)

Mon Jan 19 12:18:25 EAT 2009

Walu, it appears there is fatigue since the discussion has been conducted in
multiple forums throughout last week.
Tusiendelee

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM, John Walubengo <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bill, Nyaki et al,
>
> You got me been thinking...we have NOT been asking Listers on what THEY
> want discussed. No wonder participation/contributions have been declining
> over the years...
>
> I just thought we should do a reality check and ask - should we discuss the
> Kenya Communications Act 2008 in totality or we just wrap up what has been
> said so far?
>
> We are over 300 Listers and I only need at least (10%) that is 30 'Ayes or
> Yes' votes between now and end of tomorrow (Tue 20th Jan 2009) in order to
> continue.
>
> eMail in your vote to the LIST (transparency), starting now and I will just
> do the tallying - i will avoid Form16A ;-).
>
> walu.
> Let the people decide.
>
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10-KCA 2008, IT Section - the Bad +
>  Recommendations
> > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:16 AM
> > I do agree with the authors (I believe from an IDRC
> > publication) who wrote ".....the link between policy
> > research and policy-making is
> > non-linear. Researchers must be flexible and agile in their
> > timing and
> > approaches if they are to influence economic policies. They
> > should be
> > willing and able to re-assess the situation at any point in
> > time, and
> > to re-visit their course of action or strategy".
> >
> > Failing to plan is planning to fail. Research is not for
> > research sake; research should and can inform policy. Many
> > research centres were created in response to the need to
> > develop
> > policies that are home-grown, given the context of the
> > failures of
> > imported policies. Many policymakers run back to the very
> > researchers who they would listened to in the first place to
> > ensure they work in partnership; however researchers must
> > work in a timely manner. Essentially, Walu, is on the right
> > track.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Nyaki
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Bill Kagai <billkagai at gmail.com>
> > To: elizaslider at yahoo.com
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:23:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10-KCA 2008, IT Section -
> > the Bad +  Recommendations
> >
> > OK, I am convinced. This discussion is to do with research
> > and I commend that.
> > The only catch I can foresee is captured very well by
> > Physicist Dr. Angeyo Kalambuka...quoting him verbatim,
> >
> > [However, normally, academics look backward to find
> > lessons;
> > policymakers look ahead and often must improvise. Academics
> > can wait
> > until all the facts are in; policymakers cannot. The time
> > horizon of
> > academics may be years; the horizon of policymakers, weeks,
> > days, even
> > hours.]
> >
> > Source -
> >
> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/513790/-/428722/-/index.html
> >
> > This is the key difference between David Makali and co.
> > (who are making
> > things happen and shaping the future) and 'us' who
> > are waiting to
> > derive research from the action Media policy makers take.
> > That is why
> > they are a step ahead of us. Walu is our Academician. Where
> > are our
> > policy makers who will influence our future??
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Barrack Otieno
> > <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > If
> > i may contribute to this exchange i think the discussion is
> > important
> > Bill. The Law is already in place , however everyone seems
> > to be having
> > their own opinion on the Pro's and Cons of the New law
> > which is
> > counterproductive in the long run for the sector.Dont
> > forget there are
> > vested interests and sideshows in this whole Law
> > issue, as practitioners it is important that we are all
> > informed on the
> > benefits (or good tidings) that the new new law brings and
> > the
> > challenges it might bring to the sector in the long run.In
> > short as
> > others are submitting their petitions let the debate
> > continue, we were
> > challenged at the Hilton Forum to embrace Research and the
> > kind of
> > information being exchanged on this forum is of utmost
> > importance to
> > all members.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:55 PM, John Walubengo
> > <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > I
> > have no game plan, I am an Academician and so find that I
> > am able to
> > look at this issues from each stakeholders perspective
> > relatively
> > objectively  - and yes my effort was 'duly'
> > commissioned by the
> > KICTANet National Cordinator - though not digitally signed
> > :-(.
> >
> > This 10day exercise is not intended in anywway to undermine
> > any
> > other 'fact-finding' exercise and I believe the
> > Ministry (of Info) does
> > have the resources to multi-task and receive ideas from
> > face-2-face
> > workshops, online workshops, et al.
> >
> > With regard to timeliness - last I heard was that Wako (AG)
> > and/or
> > Parliament can only begin to debate the suggested
> > recommendations/proposals in April 2009 under a new Bill.
> > So my take is
> > that we have enough time for KICTAnet, ISACA and/or any
> > other
> > Stakeholder to submit their ideas.
> >
> > Why go into the other Sections -IT, Telco, Postal, etc?.
> > Again, my
> > brief was to do total review of ALL sections - avoid being
> > trapped in
> > the over-hyped Media vs Govt debate because all the other
> > sections are
> > important too and could stand to benefit from a review.
> >
> > I attach the Program Outline which I posted on Day 1 and
> > looks like
> > you missed it (hence your suspicions?). Nevertheless, If
> > members wish
> > that we rest the discussion, I will close the discussion
> > and move out
> > of the Chair accordingly.
> >
> >
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