[kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee ama Tusiendelee?(Paused)

Mon Jan 19 12:52:40 EAT 2009

Thanx Barrack,

I had forgetten, we shall tally the 'No' and 'Abstain' votes as well -as long as they are emailed.

walu.

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 6 of 10-KCA 2008-Tuendelee ama  Tusiendelee?(Paused)
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 1:18 PM
> Walu, it appears there is fatigue since the discussion has
> been conducted in
> multiple forums throughout last week.
> Tusiendelee
> 
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM, John Walubengo
> <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Bill, Nyaki et al,
> >
> > You got me been thinking...we have NOT been asking
> Listers on what THEY
> > want discussed. No wonder participation/contributions
> have been declining
> > over the years...
> >
> > I just thought we should do a reality check and ask -
> should we discuss the
> > Kenya Communications Act 2008 in totality or we just
> wrap up what has been
> > said so far?
> >
> > We are over 300 Listers and I only need at least (10%)
> that is 30 'Ayes or
> > Yes' votes between now and end of tomorrow (Tue
> 20th Jan 2009) in order to
> > continue.
> >
> > eMail in your vote to the LIST (transparency),
> starting now and I will just
> > do the tallying - i will avoid Form16A ;-).
> >
> > walu.
> > Let the people decide.
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Catherine Adeya
> <elizaslider at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Catherine Adeya
> <elizaslider at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10-KCA 2008, IT
> Section - the Bad +
> >  Recommendations
> > > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:16 AM
> > > I do agree with the authors (I believe from an
> IDRC
> > > publication) who wrote ".....the link
> between policy
> > > research and policy-making is
> > > non-linear. Researchers must be flexible and
> agile in their
> > > timing and
> > > approaches if they are to influence economic
> policies. They
> > > should be
> > > willing and able to re-assess the situation at
> any point in
> > > time, and
> > > to re-visit their course of action or
> strategy".
> > >
> > > Failing to plan is planning to fail. Research is
> not for
> > > research sake; research should and can inform
> policy. Many
> > > research centres were created in response to the
> need to
> > > develop
> > > policies that are home-grown, given the context
> of the
> > > failures of
> > > imported policies. Many policymakers run back to
> the very
> > > researchers who they would listened to in the
> first place to
> > > ensure they work in partnership; however
> researchers must
> > > work in a timely manner. Essentially, Walu, is on
> the right
> > > track.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Nyaki
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Bill Kagai <billkagai at gmail.com>
> > > To: elizaslider at yahoo.com
> > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:23:42 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 5 of 10-KCA 2008, IT
> Section -
> > > the Bad +  Recommendations
> > >
> > > OK, I am convinced. This discussion is to do with
> research
> > > and I commend that.
> > > The only catch I can foresee is captured very
> well by
> > > Physicist Dr. Angeyo Kalambuka...quoting him
> verbatim,
> > >
> > > [However, normally, academics look backward to
> find
> > > lessons;
> > > policymakers look ahead and often must improvise.
> Academics
> > > can wait
> > > until all the facts are in; policymakers cannot.
> The time
> > > horizon of
> > > academics may be years; the horizon of
> policymakers, weeks,
> > > days, even
> > > hours.]
> > >
> > > Source -
> > >
> >
> http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/513790/-/428722/-/index.html
> > >
> > > This is the key difference between David Makali
> and co.
> > > (who are making
> > > things happen and shaping the future) and
> 'us' who
> > > are waiting to
> > > derive research from the action Media policy
> makers take.
> > > That is why
> > > they are a step ahead of us. Walu is our
> Academician. Where
> > > are our
> > > policy makers who will influence our future??
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Barrack Otieno
> > > <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > If
> > > i may contribute to this exchange i think the
> discussion is
> > > important
> > > Bill. The Law is already in place , however
> everyone seems
> > > to be having
> > > their own opinion on the Pro's and Cons of
> the New law
> > > which is
> > > counterproductive in the long run for the
> sector.Dont
> > > forget there are
> > > vested interests and sideshows in this whole Law
> > > issue, as practitioners it is important that we
> are all
> > > informed on the
> > > benefits (or good tidings) that the new new law
> brings and
> > > the
> > > challenges it might bring to the sector in the
> long run.In
> > > short as
> > > others are submitting their petitions let the
> debate
> > > continue, we were
> > > challenged at the Hilton Forum to embrace
> Research and the
> > > kind of
> > > information being exchanged on this forum is of
> utmost
> > > importance to
> > > all members.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:55 PM, John Walubengo
> > > <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > I
> > > have no game plan, I am an Academician and so
> find that I
> > > am able to
> > > look at this issues from each stakeholders
> perspective
> > > relatively
> > > objectively  - and yes my effort was
> 'duly'
> > > commissioned by the
> > > KICTANet National Cordinator - though not
> digitally signed
> > > :-(.
> > >
> > > This 10day exercise is not intended in anywway to
> undermine
> > > any
> > > other 'fact-finding' exercise and I
> believe the
> > > Ministry (of Info) does
> > > have the resources to multi-task and receive
> ideas from
> > > face-2-face
> > > workshops, online workshops, et al.
> > >
> > > With regard to timeliness - last I heard was that
> Wako (AG)
> > > and/or
> > > Parliament can only begin to debate the suggested
> > > recommendations/proposals in April 2009 under a
> new Bill.
> > > So my take is
> > > that we have enough time for KICTAnet, ISACA
> and/or any
> > > other
> > > Stakeholder to submit their ideas.
> > >
> > > Why go into the other Sections -IT, Telco,
> Postal, etc?.
> > > Again, my
> > > brief was to do total review of ALL sections -
> avoid being
> > > trapped in
> > > the over-hyped Media vs Govt debate because all
> the other
> > > sections are
> > > important too and could stand to benefit from a
> review.
> > >
> > > I attach the Program Outline which I posted on
> Day 1 and
> > > looks like
> > > you missed it (hence your suspicions?).
> Nevertheless, If
> > > members wish
> > > that we rest the discussion, I will close the
> discussion
> > > and move out
> > > of the Chair accordingly.
> > >
> > >
> > >      
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