[kictanet] [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for basiccomputer usage Hijacked

Wed Dec 2 18:09:06 EAT 2009

Wow what a storm,

As mentioned earlier, it seems consultations were held but some stakeholders
must have been left out, David you are right in proposing for meeting of
stakeholders we are in the era of GNU's and all sides must be heard, bwana
PS dont get tired of our "Peculiar" habits, i guess KIE should host meeting
this since going by the thread this is a matter that touches on the national
education curricula, the agenda should be to address "Contentious issues", i
commend those who came up with the proposals that tickled our emotions

Regards

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:45 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Lets get it right the University teaches the basics the rest is for the
> student to find out "I give you the power to read and do al that appertains to
> this degree" not "with this degree thou shall be able to develop an erp
> system".
>
> Many of us did out computer applications 101 on amstrad computers and
> apples, yet because we got good grounding you are able to quickly learn and
> utilise any new application be it wordstar, wordperfect, word or open
> office.
>
> A driving school does not teach night driving or how to get out of mad,
> they give you the basics and you pick the rest, so lets stop throwing stones
> when we leave in glass houses.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
> --- On *Wed, 2/12/09, DAI <svarrer at digitalageinstitute.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: DAI <svarrer at digitalageinstitute.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications
> forbasiccomputer usage
> To: "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru at gmail.com>, bitange at jambo.co.ke
> Cc: "robert yawe" <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>,
> ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net, "Evans Ikua" <ikua.evans at gmail.com>,
> "ke-users" <ke-internetusers at bdix.net>
> Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 10:54
>
> Dear all,
>
> There is a danger in involving a standardisation organisation such as KEBS
> who deals with product standards and other fixed standards in anything which
> deals with rapidly developing standards.
>
> Kenya is currently suffering from the misconception that ICT education can
> be standardised in terms of the content. Therefore, some braindead
> universities are still living in the mid-1990's, while offering
> ICT-educations not even worth the paper they are distributed on. They are -
> however - able to defend their backwardness, in that it is standard !!!!
>
> Thus, many universities teach Waterfall Model as development model for
> Software, even though that model died hard more than a decade ago after
> numerous billion dollar scandals.
>
> Standards in terms of software development which actually reinvents itself
> almost every 5th year, shall deal with the standards on a meta level, and
> KEBS is not in gear at all, to handle such a challenge.
>
> Let me be concrete: You can standardise software development by saying that
> there shall be planning processes. You can for instance carefully talk about
> the V-model for project development - but making it standard would kill the
> universities once again. They would now think "V-Model" every time they talk
> project development, instead of just thinking about what should be used !!
>
> You can standardise by specifying that a certain way of looking at software
> production can be beneficiary. But don't make it standard. You are at high
> risk of locking into our educational system a smart, modern, well thought
> out model, which unfortunately turns into a dinosaur after only few years
> because of that better systems have evolved.
>
> Therefore - Software Development IS a scientific area because of that it
> develops so very very fast. Therefore one cannot lock the standards down in
> heavy documents and books, but should rather standardise the framework in
> which the standards can be recorded.
>
> In our little institute, we revise our educational material annually, and
> rest assured that we are some times changing up to 40% of the content - the
> market is changing that rapidly, and if we don't follow suit, we will not
> maintain our position, ahead of the crowd.
>
> Therefore - please stay clear of standardisation organisations when we
> discuss software, unless you are ready to re-standardise some every 3-4th
> year.
>
> Kind regards
> *Digital Age Institute Ltd.
> *David Svarrer
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Alex Gakuru <http://mc/compose?to=gakuru@gmail.com>
> *To:* bitange at jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>
> *Cc:* robert yawe <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> ;
> ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net<http://mc/compose?to=ke-internetusers-bounces@bdix.net>; Evans
> Ikua <http://mc/compose?to=ikua.evans@gmail.com> ; ke-users<http://mc/compose?to=ke-internetusers@bdix.net>;
> DAI <http://mc/compose?to=svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications
> forbasiccomputer usage
>
> Asante Dr. Ndemo for scheduled meeting with KASNEB.
>
> I am actually typing this message from Kenya Bureau of Standards where
> I have been attending a Technical Committee ("TC") meeting all
> morning. Incidentally, KEBS would be very interested in partnering
> with KASNEB on an ICT Standards examinable course( eg e-Learning,
> Security, software, telecommunication, etc).
>
> Daktari, kindly share this with KASNEB CEO?
>
> regards,
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 PM,  <bitange at jambo.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>>
> wrote:
> > Robert,
> > I am meeting with KASNEB next week to consider a local equivalent
> syllabus. Before we started CPA locally, we had to contend with ACCA for
> some time. Bottom line we need standards now as we move into more IT enabled
> services. Our prospective customers need the standards to gauge from where
> we are starting.
> >
> > I understand all you are saying although it is a challenge for us to
> start being more patriotic in all our endeavors.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Ndemo.
> > Sent from my BlackBerry®
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
> >
> > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:10:11
> > To: Evans Ikua<ikua.evans at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=ikua.evans@gmail.com>>;
> ke-users<ke-internetusers at bdix.net<http://mc/compose?to=ke-internetusers@bdix.net>>;
> DAI<svarrer at digitalageinstitute.com<http://mc/compose?to=svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for
> > basiccomputer usage
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