Wow what a storm, <br><br>As mentioned earlier, it seems consultations were held but some stakeholders must have been left out, David you are right in proposing for meeting of stakeholders we are in the era of GNU's and all sides must be heard, bwana PS dont get tired of our "Peculiar" habits, i guess KIE should host meeting this since going by the thread this is a matter that touches on the national education curricula, the agenda should be to address "Contentious issues", i commend those who came up with the proposals that tickled our emotions<br>
<br>Regards<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:45 PM, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Lets get it right the University teaches the basics the rest is for the student to find out "I give you the power to read and do al that appertains<span></span><span> </span>to this degree" not "with this degree thou shall be able to develop an erp system".<br>
<br>Many of us did out computer applications 101 on amstrad computers and apples, yet because we got good grounding you are able to quickly learn and utilise any new application be it wordstar, wordperfect, word or open office.<br>
<br>A driving school does not teach night driving or how to get out of mad, they give you the basics and you pick the rest, so lets stop throwing stones when we leave in glass houses.<div class="im"><br><br>Regards<br><br>
Robert Yawe<br>
KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>
Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>
Kenya<br>
<br>
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br><br></div>--- On <b>Wed, 2/12/09, DAI <i><<a href="mailto:svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com" target="_blank">svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">
<br>From: DAI <<a href="mailto:svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com" target="_blank">svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com</a>><div class="im"><br>Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage<br>
</div>To: "Alex Gakuru" <<a href="mailto:gakuru@gmail.com" target="_blank">gakuru@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a><br>Cc: "robert yawe" <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>>, <a href="mailto:ke-internetusers-bounces@bdix.net" target="_blank">ke-internetusers-bounces@bdix.net</a>, "Evans Ikua" <<a href="mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com" target="_blank">ikua.evans@gmail.com</a>>, "ke-users" <<a href="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net" target="_blank">ke-internetusers@bdix.net</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 10:54<br><br><div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style">Dear all, </font></div><font face="Bookman Old Style">
</font><div><font face="Bookman Old Style"><br>There is a danger in involving a standardisation organisation such as
KEBS who deals with product standards and other fixed standards in anything
which deals with rapidly developing standards. </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style">Kenya is currently suffering from the misconception that ICT education can
be standardised in terms of the content. Therefore, some braindead universities
are still living in the mid-1990's, while offering ICT-educations not even worth
the paper they are distributed on. They are - however - able to defend their
backwardness, in that it is standard !!!! </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style">Thus, many universities teach Waterfall Model as development model for
Software, even though that model died hard more than a decade ago after
numerous billion dollar scandals.</font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style">Standards in terms of software development which actually reinvents itself
almost every 5th year, shall deal with the standards on a meta level, and KEBS
is not in gear at all, to handle such a challenge.</font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style">Let me be concrete: You can standardise software development by saying that
there shall be planning processes. You can for instance carefully talk about the
V-model for project development - but making it standard would kill the
universities once again. They would now think "V-Model" every time they talk
project development, instead of just thinking about what should be used !!</font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style">You can standardise by specifying that a certain way of looking at software
production can be beneficiary. But don't make it standard. You are at high risk
of locking into our educational system a smart, modern, well thought out model,
which unfortunately turns into a dinosaur after only few years because of that
better systems have evolved.</font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style">Therefore - Software Development IS a scientific area because of that it
develops so very very fast. Therefore one cannot lock the standards down in
heavy documents and books, but should rather standardise the framework in which
the standards can be recorded.</font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style">In our little institute, we revise our educational material annually, and
rest assured that we are some times changing up to 40% of the content - the
market is changing that rapidly, and if we don't follow suit, we will not
maintain our position, ahead of the crowd.</font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style">Therefore - please stay clear of standardisation organisations when we
discuss software, unless you are ready to re-standardise some every 3-4th
year.</font></div><div class="im">
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style">Kind regards</font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"><b>Digital Age Institute Ltd.<br></b>David Svarrer</font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"> </font></div>
<div><font face="Bookman Old Style"></font> </div>
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<b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="gakuru@gmail.com" href="http://mc/compose?to=gakuru@gmail.com" target="_blank">Alex Gakuru</a>
</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Cc:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" href="http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robert yawe</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="ke-internetusers-bounces@bdix.net" href="http://mc/compose?to=ke-internetusers-bounces@bdix.net" target="_blank">ke-internetusers-bounces@bdix.net</a>
; <a rel="nofollow" title="ikua.evans@gmail.com" href="http://mc/compose?to=ikua.evans@gmail.com" target="_blank">Evans
Ikua</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="ke-internetusers@bdix.net" href="http://mc/compose?to=ke-internetusers@bdix.net" target="_blank">ke-users</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com" href="http://mc/compose?to=svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com" target="_blank">DAI</a> </div>
</div><div class="im"><div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:21
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and
foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage</div>
<div><br></div></div>Asante Dr. Ndemo for scheduled meeting with KASNEB.<br><br>I am
actually typing this message from Kenya Bureau of Standards where<br>I have
been attending a Technical Committee ("TC") meeting all<br>morning.
Incidentally, KEBS would be very interested in partnering<br>with KASNEB on an
ICT Standards examinable course( eg e-Learning,<br>Security, software,
telecommunication, etc).<br><br>Daktari, kindly share this with KASNEB
CEO?<br><br>regards,<br><br>Alex<div class="im"><br><br>On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 PM,
<<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>>
wrote:<br>> Robert,<br>> I am meeting with KASNEB next week to consider
a local equivalent syllabus. Before we started CPA locally, we had to contend
with ACCA for some time. Bottom line we need standards now as we move into
more IT enabled services. Our prospective customers need the standards to
gauge from where we are starting.<br>><br>> I understand all you are
saying although it is a challenge for us to start being more patriotic in all
our endeavors.<br>><br>> Regards<br>><br>> Ndemo.<br>> Sent
from my BlackBerry®<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br></div><div class="im">> From:
robert yawe <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br></div><div class="im">>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:10:11<br></div><div class="im">> To: Evans Ikua<<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=ikua.evans@gmail.com" target="_blank">ikua.evans@gmail.com</a>>;
ke-users<<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=ke-internetusers@bdix.net" target="_blank">ke-internetusers@bdix.net</a>>;
DAI<<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com" target="_blank">svarrer@digitalageinstitute.com</a>><br>>
Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications for<br>>
basiccomputer usage<br>><br></div><div class="im">>
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