[kictanet] East African Fibre Summit
S.Murigi Muraya
murigi.muraya at gmail.com
Mon Aug 17 22:25:21 EAT 2009
How much (KES/USD) to attend?
Sean Moroney wrote:
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> in the East African Fibre Summit, which we are holding at Laico
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> Asante sana,
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> *From:* kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> *On Behalf Of *Bildad Kagai
> *Sent:* 17 August 2009 17:57
> *To:* seanm at aitecafrica.com
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] the long fibre lie...Regulatory
> Actionlimited.
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> Walu,
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> Placing this extract in the context of this discussion and your report on e-Governance
> we discussed 4 months ago...pg. 17....you forgot to include a
> fundamental issue.
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> */Bill Kagai/*/ doubted Brian's statement about the TEAMS project
> being "developmental" /
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> /rather than "profit" oriented. In his rejoinder *Brain Longwe* said
> that there were a /
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> /number of different ways to go about major infrastructure development: /
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> / /
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> /1.// //For-Profit: Putting together a business case with a clear
> Return-On-Investment /
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> /(ROI) benefit; looking out for funding, then building and deploying.
> Hopefully /
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> /the market would respond well and the investors get their return
> (e.g. SEACOM). /
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> /2.// //Means-to-an-end: Determine the total costs for the project,
> approach the primary /
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> /stakeholders; Oil companies in the case of oil pipelines, gas
> companies in the case /
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> /of gas companies, operators and ISPs in the case of bandwidth; sell
> them the /
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> /concept of delivering the commodity to themselves at cost (or as near
> to cost as /
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> /possible); set up an "Operations and Maintenance" structure which
> levies the /
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> /same parties; build and deploy; once the bandwidth is delivered it's
> a "free-for-all" /
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> /in the marketplace - with 'costs' at a very low level, prices would
> eventually /
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> /follow due to competition (e.g. TEAMs and EASSY) /
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> / /
>
> /He said this is was one of the main reasons why projects such as
> TEAMs and EASSY /
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> /have faced stiff opposition, criticism and outright attempted
> sabotage -- because they have /
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> /the potential to cut the feet out from under any similar commercial
> venture. /
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> / /
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> /In response *Bill Kagai* stated the following /
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> / /
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> /1.// //For Profit - Seacom -This sounded like a brilliant business
> and economic model. /
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> /2.// //Means-to-an-end - TEAMS: Referencing his university economics
> this option /
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> /appeared as the only economic model they did not teach at the
> University of /
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> /Nairobi// an institution established by an Act of Parliament. /
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> / /
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> /In summary, he felt that TEAMs had already waged a price war with no
> products in the /
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> /market yet and was skeptical that TEAMs would indeed be cheaper than
> SEACOM in /
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> /terms of costing internet service. /
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> .....You forgot to include that Brian promised to buy me kalovo should
> Seacom roll out faster and end up being cheaper than Teams. Haki yetu..
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> On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Walubengo J wrote:
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> MO, Alex,
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> Ease up abit. Dont imagine I dont want affordable internet prices.
> Infact if you had time and googled my online contributions over the
> last 5years, you will realize I have been raising the red-flag about
> fiber vis a viz pricing. The other day I reloaded my Safcom modem
> with 1,000/= (300MB service). It all disappeared within 5days!
> Previously before SEACOM it would take longer (3weeks) to disappear
> because of the slower speeds. Better speeds encourage faster and
> broader browsing but it hurts (financially) and its not funny.
>
> I think our differences lie in the approach to having reduced prices.
> I chose the academic route because thats my background. Feel free to
> pursue your routes to reduced prices - but plse be cautious because
> the solution is NOT domiciled in ONE stakeholder. Its not with the
> Regulator, nor the techies, nor the activists, nor the Consumers, nor
> the Govt, nor the Media, etc. Instead I believe it is with ALL of the
> above. And it will be unfortunate to alienate any of them while
> pursuing reduced prices.
>
> walu.
> nb1: and thats why I had copied to what Alex calls my "home-tuff"
> (just ropping in other stakeholders).
> nb2: I also note and do appreciated your legal counterarguments but
> decline to respond as at now since I will cover that and other issues
> during the upcoming ICT conference at SU (I think will be free to
> sambaza the paper thereafter for those interested).
>
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> --- On Mon, 8/17/09, mike oketch <mikeoketch at gmail.com
> <mailto:mikeoketch at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> From: mike oketch <mikeoketch at gmail.com <mailto:mikeoketch at gmail.com>>
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>> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] the long fibre lie...Regulatory Action limited.
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>> To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks at lists.my.co.ke
>> <mailto:skunkworks at lists.my.co.ke>>
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>> Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 10:13 AM
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>> Again
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>> Safaricom CEO who is also heads the board of
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>> TEAMS says that TEAMS benefits could not be realised because
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>> onward connection with Europe has not been fully discussed.
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>> How can you initiate a flight from Kenya to Nigeria without
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>> getting the landing rights in Nigeria and flight clearance
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>> for CAR, DRC, Sudan and all the countries you are going to
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>> overfly?
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>> Cheap Cheap Cheap and we wont be duped. I have
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>> seen people in this list who support the crooked CEOs just
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>> because they need favors for contracts and interviews for
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>> their educations research papers. Hypocrites they are.
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>> Lets be realistic
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>> MO
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>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:10 AM,
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>> mike oketch <mikeoketch at gmail.com <mailto:mikeoketch at gmail.com>>
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>> wrote:
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>> Walubengo
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>> Yours are just too simplistic than the
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>> Alex's you are saying that are simplistic. The fact that
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>> kenya could not regulate Oil prices doesnt mean that
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>> Tanzania couldnt. The fact that SAT 3 operators couldnt be
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>> regulated cannont mean that the operators here cannot be
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>> regulated.
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>> Stop all these fake comparisons. Prices must
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>> come down and we will face them at every conference and
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>> every Barcamp and will tell these unpatriotic who have
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>> pocketed our PS off. Your arguments just dont wash.
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>> MO
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>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:40 AM,
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>> Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com <mailto:jwalu at yahoo.com>>
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>> wrote:
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>> Alex,
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>> Your have rightly qaulified your solution - as simple.
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>> Indeed it is. Infact too simplistic to fly. The idea
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>> that the Regulator can reign in Operators who charge
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>> "high" internet rates cannot and will not work.
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>> Think about the in-famous SAT3 fiber link on the west
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>> coast of africa. Ask yourself why the Regulators in
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>> Nigeria, Ghana, Cameroon, Angola, S-Africa etc have never
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>> stepped in and revoked licensces of operators over the
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>> last 15yrs of high internet costs offered on the fiber...
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>> The answers are very complex...I will actually be
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>> discussing these limitations and available interventions in
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>> some upcoming ICT conference at Strath University in Sept 09
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>> and I dont want to pre-empt ;-)....
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>> walu.
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>> --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com
>> <mailto:alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>>
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>> wrote:
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>>> From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>>
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>>> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: the long fibre lie...
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>> Ndemo should resign if internet prices do not drop as he
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>> promised!!
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>>> To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks at lists.my.co.ke
>>> <mailto:skunkworks at lists.my.co.ke>>
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>>> Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 8:44 PM
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>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:38 PM,
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>>> David Kiania | Asentric Consulting
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>>> Ltd<kianiadee at gmail.com <mailto:kianiadee at gmail.com>>
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>>> wrote:
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>>>> Set the precedence what's your solution? Am
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>> sure if
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>>> you did we'd have
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>>>> heard it by now. This thread is a knee jerk
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>> reaction
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>>> to a bad internet
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>>>> day, we all have one.
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>>> Simple, the entity under Ndemo's docket that
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>> grants these
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>>> cowboy
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>>> operators licenses puts it's foot down and warn
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>> that I may
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>>> revoke
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>>> licenses for operators that charge waaaay up in the
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>> sky not
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>>> just above
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>>> cost but ABOVE acceptable international pricing
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>> benchmarks.
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>>> They've
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>>> all the data they need. Imagine, for example,
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>> Safaricom on
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>>> the verge
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>>> of losing their license, price drops, drops, drops,
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>>> drops, and
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>>> drops..... across board.
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>>> Would this be acceptable to you?
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