[kictanet] Vitriol in cyberspace

Wed Dec 3 23:39:51 EAT 2008

Bw. Nowrojee

And the most ethical thing is that our leaders avoid scandals and corrupt
practises. as the VP said jana, lets lead from the front

Anyway I think that its the right of Brian to sue if he so wishes

Alai

On 12/3/08, Binaifer Nowrojee <bnowrojee at osiea.org> wrote:
>
>  As a lawyer, let me correct the statement below that says that nothing
> that was said amounts to defamation.  Defamation of character can include
> slander (spoken derogatory statements), libel (written derogatory
> statements) or both. To constitute actionable defamation, the statements
> must be false and expose a person to hatred, ridicule or contempt.
> Defamation is particularly relevant if it impacts or harms your occupation
> or your reputation in the industry.
>
>
>
> Definitive statements, not based in fact, such as the ones below and others
> that were flying around, could in my opinion rise to the level of
> defamation:
>
>
>
> "Brian is not a Kenyan. Why is he representing Kenya? He is malawian and he
> sits on CCK board."
>
>
>
> "Why is a Malawian representing Kenya at the IGF? Do we lack enough Kenyans
> to sit on Kenyan boards and also represent Kenya abroad? This is disgusting
> and the earlier the masqueraders like Brian Longwe and the bunch of foreign
> attack dogs are told off the better."
>
>
>
> The issue is not so much whether Brian should sue or not, but rather points
> to the need among us for more rigorous, fact-based professional standards of
> interaction.  If we want more Kenyan professionals to serve on the CCK and
> elsewhere, I'm sure we would all want the highest standards of ethics and
> performance to prevail.
>
>
>
> b
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* kictanet-bounces+bnowrojee=osiea.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:
> kictanet-bounces+bnowrojee <kictanet-bounces%2Bbnowrojee>=osiea.org@
> lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Robert Alai
> *Sent:* 2008-12-03 15:20
> *To:* Binaifer Nowrojee
> *Cc:* Mwende Gatabaki; Patrick Mutiso; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Vitriol in cyberspace
>
>
>
> Brian
>
> Thats a good assurance I must commend and hope that JM will be satisfied
> now.
>
> I also wondered why many of your relatives are in malawi aand not Kenya and
> since its said that you hold Malawian passport, people thought that you are
> Malawian.
>
> I dont think that there was anything which amounts to defamation and I
> think that you should sue and not scare people that you can sue. Its one
> kind of threat which nowadays dont serve much but you might find it
> rebounding on you ndugu.
>
> All in all. I hope that now we can start discussing you presentation
>
> Cheers ndugu
>
> Alai
>
> On 12/3/08, *Brian Longwe* <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> wow!
>
> Just catching up on my email ...... incredible ..... some facts
>
> Born: Aga Khan hospital, Nairobi - August 1 1971
> Kindergarten: St. Christophers, Valley Arcade
> Primary: Std 1-8 - St Mary's Nairobi (1st group of "8-4-4")
> Circumcised: Kangundo General Hospital
> Secondary: Form 1-2, St Mary's Nairobi
> Secondary: Form 3-4 (Ruiru High School)
> Kenyan ID# 11723803 - Kawethei Village, Kangundo
> Passport:  A1192549
> and on...
> and on...
> all Kenyan...
>
> True I have dual parentage (Kenyan & Malawian) - but does that make me less
> of a Kenyan? And I can assure you that I am not ashamed about my heritage.
>
> It is clear that someone here is carrying a seriously huge chip on their
> shoulder - maybe come clean and say what the real problem is?
>
> Ever heard about a defamation lawsuit?
>
> Chunga sana ndugu....
>
> Brian
>
>  On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Someone's freedom ends where others' begin. It's that simple.
>
> I am removing you shortly.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:41 PM, John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com> wrote:
> > Alex
> >
> > I think you have a problem solve it. You should have banned me longtime
> ago
> > since I think you think that when you have a corrupt mind then all should
> > have corrupt minds. I dont wish to be on your Kenya internet users where
> you
> > have nominated yourself to represent Kenyans. You dont believe in
> democracy
> > and so I dont wish to continue being in Kenyan Internet users. OK? Remove
> me
> > ASAP
> >
> > That list I think is very limited in reach and importance ndugu. ban
> people
> > from more important lists
> >
> > JM
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com>
> > To: Patrick Mutiso <pmutiso at telkom.co.ke>
> > Cc: John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com>; Mwende Gatabaki
> > <mgatabaki at ktdateas.com>; Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>; Brian Munyao
> > Longwe <brian at caret.net>; ke-internetusers at bdix.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:12:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] Satement by Brian
> > LongwefromPanel on Access in Main Session of Internet GovernanceForum,
> > Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec 2008
> >
> > Members have clearly stated their opinion that Brian owed is an
> > apology for wrongful denial of his bona fide nationality. This list
> > exists for the purpose of advancing consumer interests not fighting
> > personal vendettas/lobbying for other self-interests or any such other
> > thing that distracts us from our vision, mission, and objective. In
> > any case, as stated by Mwende, this list will not be part of mass
> > mailing lists that promote xenophobia-like attitudes.
> >
> > Should 'John Maina' continue with these personal mass lists attacks on
> > the individual, then I will now be compelled to completely ban that
> > email subscription from this list.
> >
> > BTW, Human beings are creatures of habit.....
> >
> >
> > 2008/12/3 Patrick Mutiso <pmutiso at telkom.co.ke>:
> >> John,
> >>
> >> If CCK which is a government body accepts a non-Kenyan as you say to sit
> >> on
> >> the board then he qualifies to represent us at the IGF. I happen to know
> >> him
> >> as a Kenyan and I agree with Mwande..you truly owe Brian an apology, and
> >> even all of us. Your language feels like its made to attack, and that is
> >> not
> >> cool.
> >>
> >> Patrick Mutiso
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net on behalf of John Maina
> >> Sent: Wed 12/3/2008 17:30
> >> To: Mwende Gatabaki; Brian Longwe; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions;
> Brian
> >> Munyao Longwe
> >> Cc: picta-kenya at yahoogroups.com; ke-internetusers at bdix.net
> >> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] Satement by Brian
> >> LongwefromPanel on Access in Main Session of Internet GovernanceForum,
> >> Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec 2008
> >>
> >> Mwende
> >>
> >> Brian is not a Kenyan. Why is he representing Kenya? He is malawian and
> he
> >> sits on CCK board. There is nothing to apologise on telling the truth
> >>
> >> JM
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Mwende Gatabaki <mgatabaki at ktdateas.com>
> >> To: John Maina <j.maina at ymail..com>; Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>;
> >> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>; Brian
> >> Munyao Longwe <brian at caret.net>
> >> Cc: picta-kenya at yahoogroups.com; ke-internetusers at bdix.net
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:14:29 PM
> >> Subject: RE: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] Satement by Brian Longwe
> >> fromPanel on Access in Main Session of Internet Governance
> >> Forum,Hyderabad,
> >> India 3rd Dec 2008
> >>
> >> John;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ….I really think you need to revise your attitude or your language – or
> >> both.  This is the kind of thing
> >>
> >> that made us kill each other at the beginning of this year.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ps:  I think you owe Brian an apology.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mwende
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net
> >> [mailto:ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net] On Behalf Of John Maina
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:35 PM
> >> To: Brian Longwe; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; Brian Munyao Longwe
> >> Cc: picta-kenya at yahoogroups.com; ke-internetusers at bdix.net
> >> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] Satement by Brian Longwe
> >> fromPanel on Access in Main Session of Internet Governance Forum,
> >> Hyderabad
> >> , India 3rd Dec 2008
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> KICTANET
> >>
> >> Why is a Malawian representing Kenya at the IGF? Do we lack enough
> Kenyans
> >> to sit on Kenyan boards and also represent Kenya abroad? This is
> >> disgusting
> >> and the earlier the masqueraders like Brian Longwe and the bunch of
> >> foreign
> >> attack dogs are told off the better.
> >>
> >> JM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
> >> To: j.maina at ymail.com
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:15:20 PM
> >> Subject: [kictanet] Satement by Brian Longwe from Panel on Access in
> Main
> >> Session of Internet Governance Forum, Hyderabad , India 3rd Dec 2008
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian Munyao Longwe – Main Session on Access (Development Perspective)
> >>
> >> Traditionally teledensity has been used as a measure of access or the
> >> extent
> >> to which communication technologies have pervaded a community..
> >>
> >> In the past Africa as a region has recorded extremely low fixed-line
> >> teledensity of below 1% that is less than 1 line per 100 people. Believe
> >> it
> >> or not this is still the case!
> >>
> >> However, when one incorporates mobile lines in a teledensity analysis -
> >> the
> >> results are not only incredible, they are amazing. as of 2007, Africa 's
> >> mobile teledensity stood at an impressive 23% or 23 lines per 100
> people.
> >> There was a recorded growth in mobile users from 128 million in 2006 to
> >> over
> >> 215 million subscribers by 2007. This represents an annual growth of
> over
> >> 46%. We have just heard that India 's mobile network is growing at an
> >> incredible rate of over 10 million new connections per month!
> >>
> >> Given the fact that most operators around Africa have rolled out
> GPRS/EDGE
> >> coverage across most of their networks as well as deployment of 3G
> access
> >> across their larger markets it is entirely feasible that mobile, not
> >> broadband may present the opportunity for increased access for
> developing
> >> countries. MOBILE and not BROADBAND is the silver bullet.
> >>
> >> Another key element crucial to the growth of access in developing
> >> countries
> >> is a suitable environment for the dispersion of relevant content and
> >> applications that meet the day to day needs of the populace. Internet
> >> Exchange Points are the primary critical ingredient needed to create
> these
> >> conditions. By keeping all locally originated and requested traffic
> local,
> >> Internet exchange points serve a crucial role in enhancing the user
> >> experience, lowering operational costs and providing a suitable
> framework
> >> for the growth and development of the Internet in general.
> >>
> >> While many developing countries have adopted policies and regulations
> that
> >> encourage and promote competition in the mobile sectors, which has
> >> resulted
> >> in continued growth in the numbers of users, the establishment of IXPs
> has
> >> received a relatively low priority - despite the significant impact that
> >> such simple infrastructure presents to the community.
> >>
> >> Access enhances the interface between government and the citizen at a
> >> transactional level.. The Kenya Revenue Authority last year suggested
> that
> >> the Kenya Internet Exchange Point receive "critical infrastructure"
> status
> >> with 24-hour armed guard due to the fact that 100% of all import/export
> >> declarations and documentation transit the IXP via the revenue
> authority's
> >> web-based platform.
> >>
> >> Going back to mobile, Safaricom, a Kenyan mobile operator introduced a
> >> money
> >> transfer service called M-Pesa less than two years ago. M-Pesa now has
> >> over
> >> 4 million subscribers (within 1 year - the service signed up more users
> >> than
> >> Kenya 's entire banking industry signed up within a century!) Safaricom
> >> reported that over half a Billion US dollar had been transacted over the
> >> platform within less than 18 months.
> >>
> >> Key policy lesson? The financial services and communications regulator
> in
> >> Kenya decided not to subject m-pesa to punitive obligations through
> >> treatment as a bank but rather chose to perceive m-pesa a non-bank
> payment
> >> service. That decision has today affected and continues to affect
> millions
> >> of lives. Regulators can either promote innovation, access & development
> >> or
> >> hinder it.
> >>
> >> In East Africa communications regulators have completely opened up the
> >> communications sector; fully liberalizing every area, but providing
> >> structure through unified licensing regime that separates facilities,
> >> services and content In Kenya this has spurred investments of over half
> a
> >> Billion USD over the past 2 years.
> >>
> >> Key stakeholder lesson: relevant content drives demand - Safaricom's
> >> m-pesa
> >> met a basic and everyday need, this has driven the increased use of
> their
> >> mobile platform by touching the lives & livelihoods of both urban &
> rural
> >> citizens.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Brian Munyao Longwe
> >> e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
> >> cell:  + 254 722 518 744
> >> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com
> >> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Munyao Longwe
> e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
> cell:  + 254 722 518 744
> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com
> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
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