[kictanet] Vitriol in cyberspace

[Binaifer Nowrojee]

As a lawyer, let me correct the statement below that says that nothing
that was said amounts to defamation.  Defamation of character can
include slander (spoken derogatory statements), libel (written
derogatory statements) or both. To constitute actionable defamation, the
statements must be false and expose a person to hatred, ridicule or
contempt. Defamation is particularly relevant if it impacts or harms
your occupation or your reputation in the industry. 

 

Definitive statements, not based in fact, such as the ones below and
others that were flying around, could in my opinion rise to the level of
defamation:  

 

"Brian is not a Kenyan. Why is he representing Kenya? He is malawian and
he sits on CCK board."

 

"Why is a Malawian representing Kenya at the IGF? Do we lack enough
Kenyans to sit on Kenyan boards and also represent Kenya abroad? This is
disgusting and the earlier the masqueraders like Brian Longwe and the
bunch of foreign attack dogs are told off the better."

 

The issue is not so much whether Brian should sue or not, but rather
points to the need among us for more rigorous, fact-based professional
standards of interaction.  If we want more Kenyan professionals to serve
on the CCK and elsewhere, I'm sure we would all want the highest
standards of ethics and performance to prevail.  

 

b



 

________________________________

From: kictanet-bounces+bnowrojee=osiea.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+bnowrojee=osiea.org at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
Behalf Of Robert Alai
Sent: 2008-12-03 15:20
To: Binaifer Nowrojee
Cc: Mwende Gatabaki; Patrick Mutiso; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vitriol in cyberspace

 

Brian

Thats a good assurance I must commend and hope that JM will be satisfied
now. 

I also wondered why many of your relatives are in malawi aand not Kenya
and since its said that you hold Malawian passport, people thought that
you are Malawian. 

I dont think that there was anything which amounts to defamation and I
think that you should sue and not scare people that you can sue. Its one
kind of threat which nowadays dont serve much but you might find it
rebounding on you ndugu.

All in all. I hope that now we can start discussing you presentation

Cheers ndugu

Alai

On 12/3/08, Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:

wow!

Just catching up on my email ...... incredible ..... some facts

Born: Aga Khan hospital, Nairobi - August 1 1971
Kindergarten: St. Christophers, Valley Arcade
Primary: Std 1-8 - St Mary's Nairobi (1st group of "8-4-4")
Circumcised: Kangundo General Hospital
Secondary: Form 1-2, St Mary's Nairobi
Secondary: Form 3-4 (Ruiru High School)
Kenyan ID# 11723803 - Kawethei Village, Kangundo
Passport:  A1192549
and on...
and on...
all Kenyan...

True I have dual parentage (Kenyan & Malawian) - but does that make me
less of a Kenyan? And I can assure you that I am not ashamed about my
heritage.

It is clear that someone here is carrying a seriously huge chip on their
shoulder - maybe come clean and say what the real problem is?

Ever heard about a defamation lawsuit?

Chunga sana ndugu....

Brian



On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com> wrote:

Someone's freedom ends where others' begin. It's that simple.

I am removing you shortly.



On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:41 PM, John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com> wrote:
> Alex
>
> I think you have a problem solve it. You should have banned me
longtime ago
> since I think you think that when you have a corrupt mind then all
should
> have corrupt minds. I dont wish to be on your Kenya internet users
where you
> have nominated yourself to represent Kenyans. You dont believe in
democracy
> and so I dont wish to continue being in Kenyan Internet users. OK?
Remove me
> ASAP
>
> That list I think is very limited in reach and importance ndugu. ban
people
> from more important lists
>
> JM
>
> ________________________________
> From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru at gmail.com>
> To: Patrick Mutiso <pmutiso at telkom.co.ke>
> Cc: John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com>; Mwende Gatabaki
> <mgatabaki at ktdateas.com>; Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>; Brian
Munyao
> Longwe <brian at caret.net>; ke-internetusers at bdix.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] Satement by Brian
> LongwefromPanel on Access in Main Session of Internet GovernanceForum,
> Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec 2008
>
> Members have clearly stated their opinion that Brian owed is an
> apology for wrongful denial of his bona fide nationality. This list
> exists for the purpose of advancing consumer interests not fighting
> personal vendettas/lobbying for other self-interests or any such other
> thing that distracts us from our vision, mission, and objective. In
> any case, as stated by Mwende, this list will not be part of mass
> mailing lists that promote xenophobia-like attitudes.
>
> Should 'John Maina' continue with these personal mass lists attacks on
> the individual, then I will now be compelled to completely ban that
> email subscription from this list.
>
> BTW, Human beings are creatures of habit.....
>
>
> 2008/12/3 Patrick Mutiso <pmutiso at telkom.co.ke>:
>> John,
>>
>> If CCK which is a government body accepts a non-Kenyan as you say to
sit
>> on
>> the board then he qualifies to represent us at the IGF. I happen to
know
>> him
>> as a Kenyan and I agree with Mwande..you truly owe Brian an apology,
and
>> even all of us. Your language feels like its made to attack, and that
is
>> not
>> cool.
>>
>> Patrick Mutiso
>> ________________________________
>> From: ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net on behalf of John Maina
>> Sent: Wed 12/3/2008 17:30
>> To: Mwende Gatabaki; Brian Longwe; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions;
Brian
>> Munyao Longwe
>> Cc: picta-kenya at yahoogroups.com; ke-internetusers at bdix.net
>> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] Satement by Brian
>> LongwefromPanel on Access in Main Session of Internet
GovernanceForum,
>> Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec 2008
>>
>> Mwende
>>
>> Brian is not a Kenyan. Why is he representing Kenya? He is malawian
and he
>> sits on CCK board. There is nothing to apologise on telling the truth
>>
>> JM
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Mwende Gatabaki <mgatabaki at ktdateas.com>
>> To: John Maina <j.maina at ymail..com>; Brian Longwe
<blongwe at gmail.com>;
>> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>;
Brian
>> Munyao Longwe <brian at caret.net>
>> Cc: picta-kenya at yahoogroups.com; ke-internetusers at bdix.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:14:29 PM
>> Subject: RE: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] Satement by Brian
Longwe
>> fromPanel on Access in Main Session of Internet Governance
>> Forum,Hyderabad,
>> India 3rd Dec 2008
>>
>> John;
>>
>>
>>
>> ....I really think you need to revise your attitude or your language
- or
>> both.  This is the kind of thing
>>
>> that made us kill each other at the beginning of this year.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ps:  I think you owe Brian an apology.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mwende
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net
>> [mailto:ke-internetusers-bounces at bdix.net] On Behalf Of John Maina
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:35 PM
>> To: Brian Longwe; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; Brian Munyao
Longwe
>> Cc: picta-kenya at yahoogroups.com; ke-internetusers at bdix.net
>> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] Satement by Brian Longwe
>> fromPanel on Access in Main Session of Internet Governance Forum,
>> Hyderabad
>> , India 3rd Dec 2008
>>
>>
>>
>> KICTANET
>>
>> Why is a Malawian representing Kenya at the IGF? Do we lack enough
Kenyans
>> to sit on Kenyan boards and also represent Kenya abroad? This is
>> disgusting
>> and the earlier the masqueraders like Brian Longwe and the bunch of
>> foreign
>> attack dogs are told off the better.
>>
>> JM
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
>> To: j.maina at ymail.com
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:15:20 PM
>> Subject: [kictanet] Satement by Brian Longwe from Panel on Access in
Main
>> Session of Internet Governance Forum, Hyderabad , India 3rd Dec 2008
>>
>>
>> Brian Munyao Longwe - Main Session on Access (Development
Perspective)
>>
>> Traditionally teledensity has been used as a measure of access or the
>> extent
>> to which communication technologies have pervaded a community..
>>
>> In the past Africa as a region has recorded extremely low fixed-line
>> teledensity of below 1% that is less than 1 line per 100 people.
Believe
>> it
>> or not this is still the case!
>>
>> However, when one incorporates mobile lines in a teledensity analysis
-
>> the
>> results are not only incredible, they are amazing. as of 2007, Africa
's
>> mobile teledensity stood at an impressive 23% or 23 lines per 100
people.
>> There was a recorded growth in mobile users from 128 million in 2006
to
>> over
>> 215 million subscribers by 2007. This represents an annual growth of
over
>> 46%. We have just heard that India 's mobile network is growing at an
>> incredible rate of over 10 million new connections per month!
>>
>> Given the fact that most operators around Africa have rolled out
GPRS/EDGE
>> coverage across most of their networks as well as deployment of 3G
access
>> across their larger markets it is entirely feasible that mobile, not
>> broadband may present the opportunity for increased access for
developing
>> countries. MOBILE and not BROADBAND is the silver bullet.
>>
>> Another key element crucial to the growth of access in developing
>> countries
>> is a suitable environment for the dispersion of relevant content and
>> applications that meet the day to day needs of the populace. Internet
>> Exchange Points are the primary critical ingredient needed to create
these
>> conditions. By keeping all locally originated and requested traffic
local,
>> Internet exchange points serve a crucial role in enhancing the user
>> experience, lowering operational costs and providing a suitable
framework
>> for the growth and development of the Internet in general.
>>
>> While many developing countries have adopted policies and regulations
that
>> encourage and promote competition in the mobile sectors, which has
>> resulted
>> in continued growth in the numbers of users, the establishment of
IXPs has
>> received a relatively low priority - despite the significant impact
that
>> such simple infrastructure presents to the community.
>>
>> Access enhances the interface between government and the citizen at a
>> transactional level.. The Kenya Revenue Authority last year suggested
that
>> the Kenya Internet Exchange Point receive "critical infrastructure"
status
>> with 24-hour armed guard due to the fact that 100% of all
import/export
>> declarations and documentation transit the IXP via the revenue
authority's
>> web-based platform.
>>
>> Going back to mobile, Safaricom, a Kenyan mobile operator introduced
a
>> money
>> transfer service called M-Pesa less than two years ago. M-Pesa now
has
>> over
>> 4 million subscribers (within 1 year - the service signed up more
users
>> than
>> Kenya 's entire banking industry signed up within a century!)
Safaricom
>> reported that over half a Billion US dollar had been transacted over
the
>> platform within less than 18 months.
>>
>> Key policy lesson? The financial services and communications
regulator in
>> Kenya decided not to subject m-pesa to punitive obligations through
>> treatment as a bank but rather chose to perceive m-pesa a non-bank
payment
>> service. That decision has today affected and continues to affect
millions
>> of lives. Regulators can either promote innovation, access &
development
>> or
>> hinder it.
>>
>> In East Africa communications regulators have completely opened up
the
>> communications sector; fully liberalizing every area, but providing
>> structure through unified licensing regime that separates facilities,
>> services and content In Kenya this has spurred investments of over
half a
>> Billion USD over the past 2 years.
>>
>> Key stakeholder lesson: relevant content drives demand - Safaricom's
>> m-pesa
>> met a basic and everyday need, this has driven the increased use of
their
>> mobile platform by touching the lives & livelihoods of both urban &
rural
>> citizens.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brian Munyao Longwe
>> e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
>> cell:  + 254 722 518 744
>> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com
>> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>




-- 
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e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
cell:  + 254 722 518 744
blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com
meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com

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