[kictanet] John, All: Kenyan Representation Important...But How Abt Discussing Points in the Report?

Wed Dec 3 20:31:02 EAT 2008

Janet

Check Answers in Blue. You are simply not making sense defending foreigners. When did a foreigner start heading and sitting on the board of FCC?

JM

On 12/3/08, Janet Feldman <kaippg at earthlink.net> wrote:
Dear John and All,

I know you in a different context (KCA), as a 
person who has always been supportive of me, a foreigner (American) working with 
Kenyans on humanitarian and development projects in Kenya. 

I dont know you
Janet. I dont know where you knew me from but I dont know you and have
never met you so either you are confusing me with someone or I just
forgot 

While your point about Kenyan representation is an 
important one as a "principle", where is this discussion of Brian's supposed 
lineage getting us?  

Janet, this is
housekeeping. A foreigner cannot and should not and must not sit on
Kenyan state corporation Board. Thats not something which you as a
"foreigner" can understand. You are basically not well conversant with
facts here and so you entering the bedroom and telling the owner of the
house to change where the bed is facing is uncalled for intrusion 

There are very important "issues" to be discussed in 
the statement, issues and challenges that impact on millions of lives, and any 
success we might achieve (as the human collective) in bridging digital divides 
and putting truly sustainable development--one that "lifts all boats"--into 
practice.

Do you think
that getting a foreigner to sit on CCK board is not important issue?
How will you bridge the digital divide while the foundation of the
other side of the digital divide is being ignored. Do you think the
bridge will stand the test of time? 

If someone is doing a good job of representing "us" 
(whoever we are or however we identify), being of service, or otherwise working 
for a purpose near and dear to us--even if s/he is not one of us by birth or 
nationality--what real difference does nationality make in this case, as a 
"practical" consideration (again, I understand that the principle is important 
in a "meta" way)?

Janet, you can
never be us because you are not us. this is KICTANET and we are talking
about Kenya ICT network. One time when a person, I think Robert Alai,
did post some things here about an American conference, he was told by
one of the attack dogs that what has something happening to women in
USA got to do with KICTANET. What has Janet Feldman who is not Kenyan
got to do with KICTANET. Are you an investor, a stakeholder or simply
an interested by-stander?

It is a good thing for that person to understand 
that there are limits to how much they can speak for us, or our needs, 
experiences, thoughts, et al. But this particular subject doesn't seem to be so 
"nationally" related that a person from Malawi cannot do justice to what is 
happening in Kenya re ICTs and all related issues.

There obviously need to be many channels of open 
communication, many ways in which viewpoints from Kenyans can be included 
centrally in whatever is important for Kenyans to address. Outreach for such 
information-gathering and inclusion is vital, and forums like this 
can provide that. 

Appointing of Kenyans to policy-making positions 
and in other venues where "Kenyan" input is crucial is both important and 
necessary, especially in circumstances where non-representation would lead 
not only to ineffectual policies and programs, but even worse, a return to a 
form of colonialism (ie policies and programs constructed "for" Kenyans, but 
"without" Kenyans represented as central decision-makers).

Again, that doesn't seem as relevant here, 
though. The development-related issues are crucial to learn from and address, 
however.  Do you have some thoughts about the contents of the report 
itself?

It wil never seem relevant to you since you dont have any stake in ICT
in Kenya and so will never argue for the Kenyan case. Lets observe some
decorum and you , Janet Feldman, dont think that being offered sahani
is same as being told to take the whole Sufuria 

Its conclusion is this:  "Key stakeholder 
lesson: relevant content drives demand - Safaricom's m-pesa met a basic and 
everyday need, this has driven the increased use of their mobile platform by 
touching the lives & livelihoods of both urban & rural 
citizens."

Yes, We know
that but whats its relation to Brian Longwes nationality. Why are you
mixing and gathering alot of things to confuse the points? 

Can we discuss the lessons 
and their implications, as well as the way(s) forward for ICTs linked to 
improving lives and enhancing development of communities?

Thanks much and best wishes 
to all, Janet

----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Maina 
To: kaippg at earthlink.net 
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy  Discussions 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:27  AM
Subject: [kictanet] Satement by Brian  Longwe from Panel on Access in MainSession of Internet Governance Forum,  Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec 2008

Ndugu Murigi

being in Kenyan primary school uniform doesnt make  you Kenyan. Brian in Malawian with a brother called Anthony Maundu longwe in  malawi and his cousins and brothers. Brian is not Kenyan and as we move on we  will prove this. Kenyan Public companies cant have foreigners masquerrading as  locals. And the foreigners are the ones who are used as attack dogs in these  fora. Lets see and know that we want to know if by giving Brian who has very  cheap CV on ICT to sit on CCK board is the way PS Ndemo is benefiting the  foreigners. 

Ukweli uutajulikana

JM

________________________________
 From: S.Murigi Muraya  <murigi.muraya at gmail.com>
To: John Maina  <j.maina at ymail.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions  <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:10:39  PM
Subject: Re: [kictanet]  Satement by Brian Longwe from Panel on Access in Main Session of Internet  Governance Forum, Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec 2008

Brian is Kenyan.  Some of us used to be in our primary school uniforms playing video games at  Sarit Center in the 80's ...and he was one of us!

John Maina wrote: 
Ndugu Mungai

Check http://lists.itmalawi.org/pipermail/ictassociation/2008-August/000695.html

Which  schools in Kenya did Brian go to. I was in Lilongwe and met one of his  former close associate.. Brian is not Kenyan and I am just finishing my  investigations. I dont know why PS Ndemo appoints foreigners in Kenyan ICT  companies boards. Another one also who is a prominent member of this forum  is not Kenyan

I am not talking out of rumours. Wait for  proof

JM

________________________________
 From: Wainaina Mungai <wainaina at madeinkenya.org>
To: John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com>; picta-kenya at yahoogroups.com; ke-internetusers at bdix.net;  KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008  5:34:03 PM
Subject: Re:  [kictanet] Satement by Brian Longwe from Panel on Access in Main Session of  Internet Governance Forum, Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec 2008

FYI  John et al.

Brian may as well be called "Mblayo"...He's a Mkamba if  that helps
qualify him as a real Kenyan...Munyao to be exact. As for  mixed
heritage, you may give him the same positive recognition  as
OBAMA...except that he's worked tirelessly for years now building  our
ICT standing on the planet.

Have an informed day  ;-)

On 12/3/08, John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com> wrote:
>  KICTANET
>
> Why is a Malawian representing Kenya at the IGF? Do  we lack enough Kenyans
> to sit on Kenyan boards and also represent  Kenya abroad? This is disgusting
> and the earlier the masqueraders  like Brian Longwe and the bunch of foreign
> attack dogs are told off  the better.
>
> JM
>
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
> From: Brian Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
> To: j.maina at ymail.com
> Cc:  KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet..or..ke>
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:15:20 PM
> Subject: [kictanet]  Satement by Brian Longwe from Panel on Access in Main
> Session of  Internet Governance Forum, Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec  2008
>
>
> Brian Munyao Longwe – Main Session on Access  (Development Perspective)
>
> Traditionally teledensity has been  used as a measure of access or the extent
> to which communication  technologies have pervaded a community.
>
> In the past Africa  as a region has recorded extremely low fixed-line
> teledensity of  below 1% that is less than 1 line per 100 people. Believe it
> or not  this is still the case!
>
> However, when one incorporates  mobile lines in a teledensity analysis - the
> results are not only  incredible, they are amazing. as of 2007, Africa's
> mobile  teledensity stood at an impressive 23% or 23 lines per 100 people.
>  There was a recorded growth in mobile users from 128 million in 2006 to  over
> 215 million subscribers by 2007. This represents an annual  growth of over
> 46%. We have just heard that India's mobile network  is growing at an
> incredible rate of over 10 million new connections  per month!
>
> Given the fact that most operators around Africa  have rolled out GPRS/EDGE
> coverage across most of their networks as  well as deployment of 3G access
> across their larger markets it is  entirely feasible that mobile, not
> broadband may present the  opportunity for increased access for developing
> countries. MOBILE  and not BROADBAND is the silver bullet.
>
> Another key element  crucial to the growth of access in developing countries
> is a  suitable environment for the dispersion of relevant content and
>  applications that meet the day to day needs of the populace.  Internet
> Exchange Points are the primary critical ingredient needed  to create these
> conditions. By keeping all locally originated and  requested traffic local,
> Internet exchange points serve a crucial  role in enhancing the user
> experience, lowering operational costs  and providing a suitable framework
> for the growth and development of  the Internet in general.
>
> While many developing countries  have adopted policies and regulations that
> encourage and promote  competition in the mobile sectors, which has resulted
> in continued  growth in the numbers of users, the establishment of IXPs has
>  received a relatively low priority - despite the significant impact  that
> such simple infrastructure presents to the  community..
>
> Access enhances the interface between government  and the citizen at a
> transactional level.. The Kenya Revenue  Authority last year suggested that
> the Kenya Internet Exchange Point  receive "critical infrastructure" status
> with 24-hour armed guard  due to the fact that 100% of all import/export
> declarations and  documentation transit the IXP via the revenue authority's
> web-based  platform.
>
> Going back to mobile, Safaricom, a Kenyan mobile  operator introduced a money
> transfer service called M-Pesa less than  two years ago. M-Pesa now has over
> 4 million subscribers (within 1  year - the service signed up more users than
> Kenya's entire banking  industry signed up within a century!) Safaricom
> reported that over  half a Billion US dollar had been transacted over the
> platform  within less than 18 months.
>
> Key policy lesson? The financial  services and communications regulator in
> Kenya decided not to  subject m-pesa to punitive obligations through
> treatment as a bank  but rather chose to perceive m-pesa a non-bank payment
> service. That  decision has today affected and continues to affect millions
> of  lives.. Regulators can either promote innovation, access & development  or
> hinder it.
>
> In East Africa communications  regulators have completely opened up the
> communications sector;  fully liberalizing every area, but providing
> structure through  unified licensing regime that separates facilities,
> services and  content In Kenya this has spurred investments of over half a
> Billion  USD over the past 2 years.
>
> Key stakeholder lesson: relevant  content drives demand - Safaricom's m-pesa
> met a basic and everyday  need, this has driven the increased use of their
> mobile platform by  touching the lives & livelihoods of both urban & rural
>  citizens.
>
>
> --
> Brian Munyao Longwe
>  e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
> cell:   + 254 722 518 744
> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com
>  meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>

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