<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">Janet</span><br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">Check Answers in Blue</span>. <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">You are simply not making sense defending foreigners. When did a foreigner start heading and sitting on the board of FCC?</span><br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">JM</span><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 12/3/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Janet Feldman</b> <kaippg@earthlink.net>
wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Dear John and All,</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I know you in a different context (KCA), as a
person who has always been supportive of me, a foreigner (American) working with
Kenyans on humanitarian and development projects in Kenya. </font></div></div></blockquote><div><br>
<br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">I dont know you
Janet. I dont know where you knew me from but I dont know you and have
never met you so either you are confusing me with someone or I just
forgot</span> <br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">While your point about Kenyan representation is an
important one as a "principle", where is this discussion of Brian's supposed
lineage getting us? </font></div></div></blockquote><div><br>
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<span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Janet, this is
housekeeping. A foreigner cannot and should not and must not sit on
Kenyan state corporation Board. Thats not something which you as a
"foreigner" can understand. You are basically not well conversant with
facts here and so you entering the bedroom and telling the owner of the
house to change where the bed is facing is uncalled for intrusion</span> <br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">There are very important "issues" to be discussed in
the statement, issues and challenges that impact on millions of lives, and any
success we might achieve (as the human collective) in bridging digital divides
and putting truly sustainable development--one that "lifts all boats"--into
practice.</font></div></div></blockquote><div><br>
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<span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Do you think
that getting a foreigner to sit on CCK board is not important issue?
How will you bridge the digital divide while the foundation of the
other side of the digital divide is being ignored. Do you think the
bridge will stand the test of time?</span> <br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">If someone is doing a good job of representing "us"
(whoever we are or however we identify), being of service, or otherwise working
for a purpose near and dear to us--even if s/he is not one of us by birth or
nationality--what real difference does nationality make in this case, as a
"practical" consideration (again, I understand that the principle is important
in a "meta" way)?</font></div></div></blockquote><div><br>
<span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Janet, you can
never be us because you are not us. this is KICTANET and we are talking
about Kenya ICT network. One time when a person, I think Robert Alai,
did post some things here about an American conference, he was told by
one of the attack dogs that what has something happening to women in
USA got to do with KICTANET. What has Janet Feldman who is not Kenyan
got to do with KICTANET. Are you an investor, a stakeholder or simply
an interested by-stander?</span><br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">It is a good thing for that person to understand
that there are limits to how much they can speak for us, or our needs,
experiences, thoughts, et al. But this particular subject doesn't seem to be so
"nationally" related that a person from Malawi cannot do justice to what is
happening in Kenya re ICTs and all related issues.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">There obviously need to be many channels of open
communication, many ways in which viewpoints from Kenyans can be included
centrally in whatever is important for Kenyans to address. Outreach for such
information-gathering and inclusion is vital, and forums like this
can provide that. </font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Appointing of Kenyans to policy-making positions
and in other venues where "Kenyan" input is crucial is both important and
necessary, especially in circumstances where non-representation would lead
not only to ineffectual policies and programs, but even worse, a return to a
form of colonialism (ie policies and programs constructed "for" Kenyans, but
"without" Kenyans represented as central decision-makers).</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Again, that doesn't seem as relevant here,
though. The development-related issues are crucial to learn from and address,
however. Do you have some thoughts about the contents of the report
itself?</font></div></div></blockquote><div><br>
<br>
It wil never seem relevant to you since you dont have any stake in ICT
in Kenya and so will never argue for the Kenyan case. Lets observe some
decorum and you , Janet Feldman, dont think that being offered sahani
is same as being told to take the whole Sufuria <br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Its conclusion is this: "Key stakeholder
lesson: relevant content drives demand - Safaricom's m-pesa met a basic and
everyday need, this has driven the increased use of their mobile platform by
touching the lives & livelihoods of both urban & rural
citizens."</font></div></div></blockquote><div><br>
<br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">
<span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Yes, We know
that but whats its relation to Brian Longwes nationality. Why are you
mixing and gathering alot of things to confuse the points?</span> <br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial"><font size="2" face="Arial">Can we discuss the lessons
and their implications, as well as the way(s) forward for ICTs linked to
improving lives and enhancing development of communities?</font></font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial"><font size="2" face="Arial">Thanks much and best wishes
to all, Janet</font></font></div>
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<a title="j.maina@ymail.com" href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">John Maina</a>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="kaippg@earthlink.net" href="mailto:kaippg@earthlink.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">kaippg@earthlink.net</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists..kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:27
AM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> [kictanet] Satement by Brian
Longwe from Panel on Access in MainSession of Internet Governance Forum,
Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec 2008</div>
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<div>Ndugu Murigi<br><br>being in Kenyan primary school uniform doesnt make
you Kenyan. Brian in Malawian with a brother called Anthony Maundu longwe in
malawi and his cousins and brothers. Brian is not Kenyan and as we move on we
will prove this. Kenyan Public companies cant have foreigners masquerrading as
locals. And the foreigners are the ones who are used as attack dogs in these
fora. Lets see and know that we want to know if by giving Brian who has very
cheap CV on ICT to sit on CCK board is the way PS Ndemo is benefiting the
foreigners. <br><br>Ukweli uutajulikana<br><br>JM<br></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> S.Murigi Muraya
<<a href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">murigi.muraya@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> John Maina
<<a href="mailto:j.maina@ymail..com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">j.maina@ymail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js..OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:10:39
PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet]
Satement by Brian Longwe from Panel on Access in Main Session of Internet
Governance Forum, Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec 2008<br></font><br>Brian is Kenyan.
Some of us used to be in our primary school uniforms playing video games at
Sarit Center in the 80's ...and he was one of us!<br><br>John Maina wrote:
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<div>Ndugu Mungai<br><br>Check <a href="http://lists.itmalawi.org/pipermail/ictassociation/2008-August/000695.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://lists.itmalawi.org/<wbr>pipermail/ictassociation/2008-<wbr>August/000695.html</a><br><br>Which
schools in Kenya did Brian go to. I was in Lilongwe and met one of his
former close associate.. Brian is not Kenyan and I am just finishing my
investigations. I dont know why PS Ndemo appoints foreigners in Kenyan ICT
companies boards. Another one also who is a prominent member of this forum
is not Kenyan<br><br>I am not talking out of rumours. Wait for
proof<br><br>JM<br></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Wainaina Mungai <a href="mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><wainaina@madeinkenya..org></a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> John Maina <a href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><j.maina@ymail.com></a>; <a href="mailto:picta-kenya@yahoogroups.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">picta-kenya@yahoogroups.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ke-internetusers@bdix.net</a>;
KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.<wbr>ke></a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 3, 2008
5:34:03 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[kictanet] Satement by Brian Longwe from Panel on Access in Main Session of
Internet Governance Forum, Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec 2008<br></font><br>FYI
John et al.<br><br>Brian may as well be called "Mblayo"...He's a Mkamba if
that helps<br>qualify him as a real Kenyan...Munyao to be exact. As for
mixed<br>heritage, you may give him the same positive recognition
as<br>OBAMA...except that he's worked tirelessly for years now building
our<br>ICT standing on the planet.<br><br>Have an informed day
;-)<br><br><br><br>On 12/3/08, John Maina <<a href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">j.maina@ymail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>
KICTANET<br>><br>> Why is a Malawian representing Kenya at the IGF? Do
we lack enough Kenyans<br>> to sit on Kenyan boards and also represent
Kenya abroad? This is disgusting<br>> and the earlier the masqueraders
like Brian Longwe and the bunch of foreign<br>> attack dogs are told off
the better..<br>><br>> JM<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>
______________________________<wbr>__<br>> From: Brian Longwe <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">blongwe@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:j.maina@ymail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">j.maina@ymail.com</a><br>> Cc:
KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">kictanet@lists.kictanet...or..<wbr>ke</a>><br>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:15:20 PM<br>> Subject: [kictanet]
Satement by Brian Longwe from Panel on Access in Main<br>> Session of
Internet Governance Forum, Hyderabad, India 3rd Dec
2008<br>><br>><br>> Brian Munyao Longwe – Main Session on Access
(Development Perspective)<br>><br>> Traditionally teledensity has been
used as a measure of access or the extent<br>> to which communication
technologies have pervaded a community.<br>><br>> In the past Africa
as a region has recorded extremely low fixed-line<br>> teledensity of
below 1% that is less than 1 line per 100 people. Believe it<br>> or not
this is still the case!<br>><br>> However, when one incorporates
mobile lines in a teledensity analysis - the<br>> results are not only
incredible, they are amazing. as of 2007, Africa's<br>> mobile
teledensity stood at an impressive 23% or 23 lines per 100 people.<br>>
There was a recorded growth in mobile users from 128 million in 2006 to
over<br>> 215 million subscribers by 2007. This represents an annual
growth of over<br>> 46%. We have just heard that India's mobile network
is growing at an<br>> incredible rate of over 10 million new connections
per month!<br>><br>> Given the fact that most operators around Africa
have rolled out GPRS/EDGE<br>> coverage across most of their networks as
well as deployment of 3G access<br>> across their larger markets it is
entirely feasible that mobile, not<br>> broadband may present the
opportunity for increased access for developing<br>> countries. MOBILE
and not BROADBAND is the silver bullet.<br>><br>> Another key element
crucial to the growth of access in developing countries<br>> is a
suitable environment for the dispersion of relevant content and<br>>
applications that meet the day to day needs of the populace.
Internet<br>> Exchange Points are the primary critical ingredient needed
to create these<br>> conditions. By keeping all locally originated and
requested traffic local,<br>> Internet exchange points serve a crucial
role in enhancing the user<br>> experience, lowering operational costs
and providing a suitable framework<br>> for the growth and development of
the Internet in general.<br>><br>> While many developing countries
have adopted policies and regulations that<br>> encourage and promote
competition in the mobile sectors, which has resulted<br>> in continued
growth in the numbers of users, the establishment of IXPs has<br>>
received a relatively low priority - despite the significant impact
that<br>> such simple infrastructure presents to the
community.<br>><br>> Access enhances the interface between government
and the citizen at a<br>> transactional level.. The Kenya Revenue
Authority last year suggested that<br>> the Kenya Internet Exchange Point
receive "critical infrastructure" status<br>> with 24-hour armed guard
due to the fact that 100% of all import/export<br>> declarations and
documentation transit the IXP via the revenue authority's<br>> web-based
platform.<br>><br>> Going back to mobile, Safaricom, a Kenyan mobile
operator introduced a money<br>> transfer service called M-Pesa less than
two years ago. M-Pesa now has over<br>> 4 million subscribers (within 1
year - the service signed up more users than<br>> Kenya's entire banking
industry signed up within a century!) Safaricom<br>> reported that over
half a Billion US dollar had been transacted over the<br>> platform
within less than 18 months.<br>><br>> Key policy lesson? The financial
services and communications regulator in<br>> Kenya decided not to
subject m-pesa to punitive obligations through<br>> treatment as a bank
but rather chose to perceive m-pesa a non-bank payment<br>> service. That
decision has today affected and continues to affect millions<br>> of
lives.. Regulators can either promote innovation, access & development
or<br>> hinder it.<br>><br>> In East Africa communications
regulators have completely opened up the<br>> communications sector;
fully liberalizing every area, but providing<br>> structure through
unified licensing regime that separates facilities,<br>> services and
content In Kenya this has spurred investments of over half a<br>> Billion
USD over the past 2 years.<br>><br>> Key stakeholder lesson: relevant
content drives demand - Safaricom's m-pesa<br>> met a basic and everyday
need, this has driven the increased use of their<br>> mobile platform by
touching the lives & livelihoods of both urban & rural<br>>
citizens.<br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Brian Munyao Longwe<br>>
e-mail: <a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">blongwe@gmail.com</a><br>> cell:
+ 254 722 518 744<br>> blog : <a href="http://zinjlog.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://zinjlog.blogspot.com</a><br>>
meta-blog: <a href="http://mashilingi..blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://mashilingi.blogspot.com</a><br>><br>><br>><br>><br><br>--
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