[kictanet] KICTANet Digest, Vol 164, Issue 18

Thu Jan 20 11:56:29 EAT 2022

@Ali Hussein <ahussein at kictanet.or.ke>
even Viusasa charges 10 bob sio bure. Adrian has pointed out the challenges
Infrastructure is facing with the increased usage. To keep the
Infrastructure going we have to find a way of paying for it. Maybe someone
from KENHA or KURA can chip in at this point.

Regards

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:26 AM Ali Hussein via KICTANet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Adrian
>
> Thank you for sharing and reviving the Net Neutrality issue. I love the
> way you've broken this down and provided some possible solution. However, I
> think you may need to add a possible third solution:-
>
> The Internet is an Information Super Highway so why not borrow from how we
> use the Highway?
>
> 1. A lane for slow cars
> 2. Another one for high speed cars
> 3. Another for trucks
> 4. Another for huge trucks.
>
> And the common denominator here is that highways are public infrastructure
> and public infrastructure is managed by government. Get my drift?
>
> The reason I'm looking at this in such a way is that Net Neutrality is
> supposed to protect all players not just BigTech. For example, we MUST
> protect local initiatives like Viusasa from this nonsense of ISPs charging
> content providers for access. I will remain a diehard supporter of Net
> Neutrality. However, I recognize that not all sizes fit all and as time
> changes then so must we. The fundamentals of Net Neutrality should remain
> but how we execute them can be nuanced to different situations.
>
> One last thing - if we allow each car manufacturer to build its own
> highway network what would the world come to? This is what BigTech is doing
> with all it's initiatives for internet access. This is where Policy Makers
> the world over are completely missing the point. This is what is creating
> all this confusion.
>
> Is it time to declare the Networks that serve us all Public Utilities and
> regulated as such? This might not be the most popular thing to say but here
> we are...
>
> Ali Hussein
>
> Tel: +254 713 601113
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
> Skype: abu-jomo
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 4:19 AM Adrian Teri via KICTANet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Good day all,
>>
>> It's time to revisit the topic of net neutrality which in my opinion
>> hasn't been quite fleshed out.
>>
>> ISPs in the early days, circa the '90s, had assumptions that today no
>> longer hold true. From my reading, users were expected to do light tasks
>> like check their email, surf the web and occasionally download some files.
>> Well these assumptions have taken ~30 years to validate and they are being
>> broken down!
>>
>> Reality today is that innovations have further pushed and strained the
>> net. The "inter networks" is just a collection of networks and computers
>> communicating with each other. In the early days, large orgs or
>> corporations had mutual and voluntary agreements of peering into each
>> other's networks where the value of the traffic was assumed at the end of
>> day/month etc would be balanced between what a peer pushed through you and
>> what you pushed through them.
>>
>> Fast forward to today, Content companies are the ones pushing all the
>> bandwidth down and there is no reciprocity. What happens to switches and
>> their buffers at the ISPs? They start to drop packets as they are  being
>> saturated/bogged down by the spikes. What happens to all other traffic like
>> people doing a web search, scrolling through emails, reading blogs etc?
>> They will all be affected by packet loss, slower pings(higher RTTs) and
>> increased jitter(packet delay). The other ISP's customers will simply be
>> given priority!
>>
>> Yes, it was a failure on the ISPs when they were building their business
>> models but at the end of day something has to give. And yes, there is
>> prioritization in traffic like for voice and video. VOIP packets have
>> priority tags(are moved up the queue) and ever wonder why in
>> networks(mobile or WI-FI) you are defaulted to a lower quality compared to
>> the speeds? Well ISPs are forcing you down these selections at the start as
>> they don't want you hitting their networks as much. See bandwidth or
>> traffic shaping. The notion of "net neutrality" inaugurating "speed" lanes
>> is simply untrue; they have existed but of concern here is *paid
>> prioritization* or in some instances large ISPs having conglomerates
>> favouring their own content provider(s).
>>
>> There are generally two solutions from the ISPs perspective:
>>
>> (1). Make the end users have variable pricing for their "WI-FI" bills
>> just like you pay for what you consume with electricity & water, *which
>> we(as consumers) highly dislike* *for the internet* or,
>> (2). Have a fixed charge for your fixed data customers and make the
>> content and whoever will innovate high bandwidth products pay for the
>> spikes/elevated/bursts. They already have a relationship with their
>> customer and they can easily track their usages. They collect from their
>> customers and pay the ISPs who are presumed to have aggregates of bandwidth
>> overages for each content/high bandwidth pushing company.
>>
>> No. 2 is what happens in bills for colocations and some hosting
>> provider's bandwidth/fibre. There is a committed and burstable data rate.
>> This is the classic 95th(95-5) percentile billing model.
>>
>> An interesting read by Steven Levy: In the Plex HOW GOOGLE THINKS, WORKS
>> AND SHAPES OUR LIVES, PART FOUR: GOOGLE'S CLOUD chapter 2: "My Job was to
>> get in the car, get on a plane, go find data centers." accounts how #Google
>> in their earlier days squeezed terabytes of indexed data from west to east
>> coast colocation facilities in ~15 - 18 hour bursts per month. They then
>> literally turned off their router ports for 28-29 days per month and their
>> bandwidth costs would be zero!
>>
>> I haven't touched on #Netflix's Open Connect, a caching solution
>> installed at an ISP's large router(s), as only *5% *of traffic is
>> delivered through it. However, the reporting is ~ 10 yrs old and would be
>> happy to see newer numbers. Also, there was a notable unfairness where
>> #Netflix was paying and setting up infrastructure at #Comcast but expected
>> the opposite from small ISPs.
>>
>> Finally, I don't see how 5G will cool this problem as it occurs at the
>> exchanges and peering points.
>>
>> Yours Kindly,
>> Adrian
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 11:15, <kictanet-request at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> wrote:
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>>>    1. Re: Should streaming services pay ISPs for increased traffic?
>>>       (Josiah Mugambi)
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>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Josiah Mugambi <josiah.mugambi at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Kenya's premier ICT Policy engagement platform" <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Cc:
>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 11:13:57 +0300
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Should streaming services pay ISPs for increased
>>> traffic?
>>> Almost certain that Netflix content is mirrored in Korea given that:
>>> - Netflix hosts on AWS
>>> - AWS has availability zones
>>> <https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/regions_az/> in
>>> Seoul
>>>
>>> This
>>> <https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/30/south-korean-isp-sk-broadband-counterclaims-against-netflix-for-bandwidth-usage-fees/>
>>> is also interesting:
>>>
>>> "Meanwhile, another global streaming giant, Disney Plus, is set to
>>> launch in South Korea in November. Disney Plus reportedly plans to use
>>> third-party content delivery networks (CDNs) instead of using ISP’s
>>> networks to avoid the bandwidth usage fees."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:27 PM Kathy Mwai via KICTANet <
>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think that YouTube presents the same traffic problem to ISPs
>>>> that Netflix does. (By the way I'm an on and off Netflix subscriber so I
>>>> haven't particularly experienced any issues watching any big hyped shows
>>>> like the game of thrones or the Squid games at the moment) The nature of
>>>> Netflix content is similar to the movie theatres. When it's a
>>>> blockbuster being premiered like with the Bond movie this last week, the
>>>> traffic to the movie theaters is more as I experienced last weekend: But
>>>> not when it's just kawaida movies, and YouTube never churns out content in
>>>> this fashion, so we could remove them from the notorious list for now.
>>>>
>>>> That being said, if anything I think it should only be Netflix
>>>> incentivising a rounded up figure not the content providers and if it means
>>>> Netflix deducts a cost from the content providers to forward to the ISPs,
>>>> so be it I suppose? At the end of the day, content gets broadcast as that
>>>> is the intention. Perhaps I'm being naive in imagining a perfect world
>>>> where such good business practices exist, but what if really? Or maybe once
>>>> 5G becomes ubiquitous the conversation will change...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 13:09, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, if Netflix, YT, and all the other content providers decide to
>>>>> incentivise, how will they measure how much the incentive has worked? And
>>>>> how much value do they get from their funds?
>>>>> Will the ISPs be incentivised based on the traffic volumes to the
>>>>> content providers or just a rounded up figure?
>>>>> Perhaps the best way out of this is for the ISPs to come together and
>>>>> ask the content providers to put their content infrastructure locally
>>>>> (mirror the content) so that their int'l bandwidth is left
>>>>> untouched???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 12:58 PM Kathy Mwai via KICTANet <
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This seems to me to be a Business Sustainability Strategy for
>>>>>> Netflix, because if users don't have a good experience with its content as
>>>>>> a result of slow speeds, will people want to keep subscribing for a service
>>>>>> they feel they may not get the full experience of? And I suppose envisaging
>>>>>> this situation could be the reason why they have different packages based
>>>>>> on your pipe output. Netflix and content providers obviously majorly depend
>>>>>> on ISPs for the success of their undertaking, and so I feel that it is good
>>>>>> business practice for Netflix to incentivise ISPs to enable them
>>>>>> upgrade their services. And that they should probably do that especially in
>>>>>> geographies where they have high subscriptions and not just in the US, and
>>>>>> to be proactive about it. This way everyone stays in business...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 at 09:53, Ali Hussein via KICTANet <
>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Mwendwa Kivuva <kivuva at kictanet.or.ke> and all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think ISPs are not being realistic. On one hand they squeeze us on
>>>>>>> 'fair usage' on the other hand they are squeezing content providers for
>>>>>>> 'over using' their pipes. If content creation is so lucrative why not get
>>>>>>> into it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me remind everyone the principles of Net Neutrality -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Net neutrality is the concept that states that organizations, such
>>>>>>> as Internet service providers, should treat all data on the internet
>>>>>>> equally. It promotes a free and open internet, where users can access
>>>>>>> content without restriction, provided the content does not violate any
>>>>>>> laws.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we allow this loop hole you suggest where does it end? Let's take
>>>>>>> a look at our local scenario in Kenya.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Safaricom is already in the content business. If we allow this
>>>>>>> liberal interpretation of Net Neutrality it won't be long before they
>>>>>>> demand gatekeeping charges from Viusasa and other local content
>>>>>>> providers...Which will create a clear conflict of interest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's be careful. I have ALWAYS advocated for a clear Policy and
>>>>>>> Regulatory interpretation of Net Neutrality Rules in this country. We are
>>>>>>> yet to see any. MOICT and CA wako wapi?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fintech | Digital Transformation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 1:25 PM Mwendwa Kivuva via KICTANet <
>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting angle Washington. It is indeed a chicken and egg
>>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a network engineer, you know the implication of the
>>>>>>>> international transit data on the cost of running an ISP. Profitability of
>>>>>>>> an ISP is based on the assumption that on average, the users will not
>>>>>>>> consume more than fair quota, and if they do, other users using limited
>>>>>>>> services but paying the same amount per package will compensate and balance
>>>>>>>> out the cost, leaving some margin for profitability. If streaming services
>>>>>>>> squeeze out this advantage from ISPs, which is very easy because you just
>>>>>>>> leave the service running, and it consumes all bandwidth, what recourse
>>>>>>>> does ISPs have? Increase the cost to consumers? Share the burden with
>>>>>>>> commercial content providers? Degrade service offered by content providers?
>>>>>>>> Where should the balance be?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 12:51 Odhiambo Washington via KICTANet, <
>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 12:38 PM Mwendwa Kivuva via KICTANet <
>>>>>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the United States, Netflix has been paying a fee to broadband
>>>>>>>>>> provider Comcast Corp for faster streaming speeds.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> South Korea's ISP SK Broadband has sued Netflix to pay for costs
>>>>>>>>>> from increased network traffic and maintenance work because of a surge of
>>>>>>>>>> viewers to the U.S. firm's content.
>>>>>>>>>> Seoul court said Netflix should "reasonably" give something in
>>>>>>>>>> return to the internet service provider for network usage, and multiple
>>>>>>>>>> South Korean lawmakers have spoken out against content providers who do not
>>>>>>>>>> pay for network usage despite generating explosive traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> other content providers such as Amazon, Apple and Facebook are
>>>>>>>>>> paying SK Broadband for usage of the network.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Should content providers compensate network providers for
>>>>>>>>>> increased traffic to their network? Is this a net neutrality issue where
>>>>>>>>>> all content should be treated equally?se or personalize, respect privacy,
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How is my usage of my services I am paying my ISP for being
>>>>>>>>> interpreted as "usage by my content provider"?
>>>>>>>>> Is this the chicken-and-egg situation I have been hearing about?
>>>>>>>>> I am already paying my ISP. If I didn't, they'd not even see the
>>>>>>>>> traffic to Netflix, YT, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Content providers compensating network providers for increased
>>>>>>>>> traffic to their network seems like stealing for me. The content providers
>>>>>>>>> are not using the ISP network. It's the client who pays for the link who
>>>>>>>>> does. Do ISPs want to give FREE connections to me so that I can use
>>>>>>>>> Netflix, YT, HBOMax and have these content providers pay them for my own
>>>>>>>>> traffic?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
>>>>>>>>> Nairobi,KE
>>>>>>>>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
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