[kictanet] WhatsApp to Move Ahead with its Privacy Updates

Wed Feb 24 19:17:03 EAT 2021

Hello Mwara,

WhatsApp’s clarification of the privacy policy didn’t inspire confidence
despite the promise to maintain the E2EE because the Information collection
across the board for both users and businesses on WhatsApp to be shared
with Facebook and third party providers contains a lot of personal data.

What’s left is to consent and continue using the App or move to other
platforms. I choose the latter.

Its privacy policy
<https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/updates/privacy-policy> clearly
states that information collection happens across the board and not just
for users interacting with businesses on WhatsApp.

On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 14:52, Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <
kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> This is will be interesting to see unfold, Joseph and Wathagi as Tevin has
> shared on the list the DP office website is officially up and running, this
> opens up a chance for litigation maybe? * Or is this a case of me putting
> the cart before the horse!
>
> But also to go back to  the initial question we asked
>
> 1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from
> our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's
> different with Whatsapp getting this data?
>
> I am curious is that its the big tech-companies in this case FB that we
> are terrified accruing our data because in many ways we already have
> surrendered (unwillingly) our data in some apps if not all
>
> Warmly
> Mwara
>
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 1:20 PM, Joseph Githaiga via kictanet <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> I am not sure legitimate interest would stack up especially because they
>> have to prove that it was necessary. This is a situation of "wanting to
>> have" rather than "needing to have" our WhatsApp info for FB's business
>> purposes. They know they can't satisfy that threshold in the EU and that is
>> why they are not pushing the revised terms in that market.
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:22 Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet, <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the will probably use another legal base like legitimate
>>> interest of the controller. I would actually be happy to see some
>>> litigation on this to get things moving.
>>>
>>> Warm Regards,
>>>
>>> Joy Wathagi Ndungu
>>> LIPIT- Master's Student
>>> Tel: +4917671687803
>>> Email: joywathagi at gmail.com
>>> Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+Goettingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Herzliche Grüße,
>>> Joy Wathagi Ndungu
>>> LIPIT- Masterstudent
>>> Tel.: +4917671687803
>>> E-Mail: joywathagi at gmail.com
>>> Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Göttingen
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+G%C3%B6ttingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb am
>>> Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 10:19:
>>>
>>>> I am not sure how they will be able to justify this move legally in
>>>> Kenya due to the DPA. They won't be able to prove that the consent from
>>>> users in Kenya was freely given. They therefore expose themselves to
>>>> litigation as well as regulatory action by the data commissioner. This will
>>>> be the case in every other country that has enacted data protection laws
>>>> substantially similar to the GDPR.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:00 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet, <
>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wathangi I am with you on this one my biggest concern is that
>>>>> whatapp’s parent company is FB which hasn’t had the best track record when
>>>>> it comes to security assurance and privacy practices and so a lack of trust
>>>>>  has built up overtime with us as their users.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what are our options?
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Proceed with the app and hope by some miracle our DP Act protects
>>>>> us in enforcement and implementation
>>>>> 2. Switch to other messaging apps that are not run by big tech
>>>>> companies who are under scrutiny for data collection
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:02 AM, Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet <
>>>>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mwara,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.I believe  WhatsApp/Facebook has been pretty transparent about the
>>>>>> Data they will be collecting as seen, so what exactly are we collating?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Personally I called their bluff on the February deletion and shall
>>>>>> continue to do the same. I will not be accepting the new terms regardless
>>>>>> of my location at the time their policy comes into force.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joy Wathagi Ndungu
>>>>>> LIPIT- Master's Student
>>>>>> Tel: +4917671687803
>>>>>> Email: joywathagi at gmail.com
>>>>>> Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen
>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+Goettingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße,
>>>>>> Joy Wathagi Ndungu
>>>>>> LIPIT- Masterstudent
>>>>>> Tel.: +4917671687803
>>>>>> E-Mail: joywathagi at gmail.com
>>>>>> Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Göttingen
>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+G%C3%B6ttingen?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> schrieb
>>>>>> am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 05:40:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear listers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions
>>>>>>> yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this
>>>>>>> subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To
>>>>>>> guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data
>>>>>>> from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc).
>>>>>>> What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your
>>>>>>> experience so far?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets continue the conversation!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warmly
>>>>>>> Mwara
>>>>>>>
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