<div><div><div><div><div dir="auto">Hello Mwara,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">WhatsApp’s clarification of the privacy policy didn’t inspire confidence despite the promise to maintain the E2EE because the Information collection across the board for both users and businesses on WhatsApp to be shared with Facebook and third party providers contains a lot of personal data.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What’s left is to consent and continue using the App or move to other platforms. I choose the latter.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:16px;font-family:"Proximanova Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(66,66,66)">Its </span><a href="https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/updates/privacy-policy" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="font-size:16px;box-sizing:border-box;text-decoration:none;font-family:"Proximanova Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,212,159)" target="_blank">privacy policy</a><span style="font-size:16px;font-family:"Proximanova Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(66,66,66)"> clearly states that information collection happens across the board and not just for users interacting with businesses on WhatsApp.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:Inter,sans-serif;font-size:17px;letter-spacing:-0.4000000059604645px;color:rgb(44,44,44)"><br></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 14:52, Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><div dir="auto">This is will be interesting to see unfold, Joseph and Wathagi as Tevin has shared on the list the DP office website is officially up and running, this opens up a chance for litigation maybe? * Or is this a case of me putting the cart before the horse!</div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But also to go back to the initial question we asked</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="word-spacing:1px;color:rgb(49,49,49)">1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?</span><br style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><span style="word-spacing:1px;color:rgb(49,49,49)"> </span><br></div><div dir="auto"><font style="color:rgb(49,49,49)"><span style="word-spacing:1px">I am curious is that its the big tech-companies in this case FB that we are terrified accruing our data because in many ways we already have surrendered (unwillingly) our data in some apps if not all</span></font></div><div dir="auto"><font style="color:rgb(49,49,49)"><span style="word-spacing:1px"><br></span></font></div><div dir="auto"><font style="color:rgb(49,49,49)"><span style="word-spacing:1px">Warmly</span></font></div><div dir="auto"><font style="color:rgb(49,49,49)"><span style="word-spacing:1px">Mwara</span></font></div><div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 1:20 PM, Joseph Githaiga via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">I am not sure legitimate interest would stack up especially because they have to prove that it was necessary. This is a situation of "wanting to have" rather than "needing to have" our WhatsApp info for FB's business purposes. They know they can't satisfy that threshold in the EU and that is why they are not pushing the revised terms in that market. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:22 Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet, <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">I think the will probably use another legal base like legitimate interest of the controller. I would actually be happy to see some litigation on this to get things moving.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Warm Regards,<br><br>Joy Wathagi Ndungu<br>LIPIT- Master's Student<br>Tel: +4917671687803<br>Email: <a href="mailto:joywathagi@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">joywathagi@gmail.com</a><br><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+Goettingen?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank">Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen</a><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Herzliche Grüße,<br>Joy Wathagi Ndungu<br>LIPIT- Masterstudent<br>Tel.: +4917671687803<br>E-Mail: <a href="mailto:joywathagi@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">joywathagi@gmail.com</a><br><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+G%C3%B6ttingen?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank">Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Göttingen</a><br> </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Joseph Githaiga via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 10:19:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">I am not sure how they will be able to justify this move legally in Kenya due to the DPA. They won't be able to prove that the consent from users in Kenya was freely given. They therefore expose themselves to litigation as well as regulatory action by the data commissioner. This will be the case in every other country that has enacted data protection laws substantially similar to the GDPR.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards</div><div dir="auto">Joe</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 12:00 Mwara Gichanga via kictanet, <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div dir="auto">Wathangi I am with you on this one my biggest concern is that whatapp’s parent company is FB which hasn’t had the best track record when it comes to security assurance and privacy practices and so a lack of trust has built up overtime with us as their users.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So what are our options?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. Proceed with the app and hope by some miracle our DP Act protects us in enforcement and implementation</div></div><div dir="auto">2. Switch to other messaging apps that are not run by big tech companies who are under scrutiny for data collection </div><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 8:02 AM, Wathagi Ndungu via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Hi Mwara,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1.I believe WhatsApp/Facebook has been pretty transparent about the Data they will be collecting as seen, so what exactly are we collating?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. Personally I called their bluff on the February deletion and shall continue to do the same. I will not be accepting the new terms regardless of my location at the time their policy comes into force.<br><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Warm Regards,<br><br>Joy Wathagi Ndungu<br>LIPIT- Master's Student<br>Tel: +4917671687803<br>Email: <a href="mailto:joywathagi@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">joywathagi@gmail.com</a><br><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+Goettingen?entry=gmail&source=g" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Goettingen</a><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Herzliche Grüße,<br>Joy Wathagi Ndungu<br>LIPIT- Masterstudent<br>Tel.: +4917671687803<br>E-Mail: <a href="mailto:joywathagi@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">joywathagi@gmail.com</a><br><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/Albrecht+Thaer+Weg+10A,+37075,+G%C3%B6ttingen?entry=gmail&source=g" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Albrecht Thaer Weg 10A, 37075, Göttingen</a><br> </div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Mwara Gichanga via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> schrieb am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021, 05:40:<br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">Dear listers,<br><br>Thanks to those who managed to contribute to the discussions yesterday. We are still collating our questions to Facebook regarding this subject. Today let's talk about what's at stake with the new terms. To guide our discussions, let's ponder over these questions:<br><br>1. We already have applications that mine our instant generated data from our mobile phones(eg bible apps, mobile lending apps, games etc). What's different with Whatsapp getting this data?<br> <br>2. Is there anyone who has accepted these terms already? What's your experience so far?<br><div><br></div><div>Lets continue the conversation!</div><div><br></div><div>Warmly</div><div>Mwara</div></div></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
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